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Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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post #166

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Depends on ones measure of success. Mine is, does this product and/or service represent a net benefit to humanity without egregious side-effects? the answer isn’t always so clear-cut

Out of curiosity, why does the condition "without egregious side effects" exist? Aren't egregious side effects already factored ibto the "net benefit" calculation?

My moral compass says, don't harm individuals for the greater good.

I should add, you're not wrong to question the necessity of including the second part. It is most certainly a factor. There's a natural justice strand in the formulation of Benthamite utilitarianism (which is, broadly speaking, where I'm coming from) that reinforces an enlightened approach to individual consequences, since in the long run the absence of individual justice poisons the greater good anyway.

However that's a bit of a mouthful, and it does need surfacing because there are other formulations of utilitarianism that lead to dystopian nightmare societies, and besides, I'm rather fond of the word egregious.

However I do regret forgetting to riff on the laws of robotics in the phrasing

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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post #167

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Depends on ones measure of success. Mine is, does this product and/or service represent a net benefit to humanity without egregious side-effects? the answer isn’t always so clear-cut

That measure is so subjective I'd be surprised if it was ever clear cut. You could argue circles with coal, oil, FB, beer, various drugs, fancy rocks. All are double-edged swords (the handle is also a sword (and it's on fire))

Indeed not always, and there certainly can be an observer effect, but the answer re. Facebook is very clear cut.

In any case I've found it preferable to "does this corporate entity create shareholder value?", which I must confess I was suckered by some rather Austrian-school economists into accepting as a valid proxy for human advancement and/or happiness in my mid-thirties.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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post #155

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Nobody contests that. The negative outlook instead seems to be that since 2010, Facebook (the product, not the engineering team) has delivered little value to society. And at this point, seems to have ossified into a form that lacks the agility and will to make major shifts. Their current emphasis on purchasing other companies for their product pipelines, to drive business to their advertising, seems more akin to pha…

Facebook delivers value every day to billions of daily active users -- the social updates. The value varies by person but presumably it's positive value for all DAU or they would cease to be DAU. Perhaps Facebook hasn't increased value delivered for each user for each day that much. Or has even decreased it. But the baseline is definitely "value to society" IMO Did you mean Facebook has delivered little marginal valu…

I meant what I said.

> since 2010, Facebook (the product, not the engineering team) has delivered little value to society

That requires a different rebuttal than 'to a user.'

If we rewound to ~2010, froze Facebook at its then-current feature set, and had Instagram (2012), WhatsApp (2014), Oculus (2014), and the myriad of other aquhires still in existence as independent companies, society would be a better place.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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Honestly, I think I prefer not having access to something like Pinterest[1] which lets you have some access for a bit and then as soon as you try to interact with the site in any meaningful way (usually to leave it) they insist you sign in. At least with this I know the expectation up front, rather than having it sprung on me by surprise. [1] I've avoided Pinterest for awhile that this may not be the way they attempt…

Pinterest is the worst thing on the web. I do not understand why google puts pinterest links as the top search results constantly, even though it is a completely shallow and pointless page that merely obfuscates the content I would actually want to see from some other site. Why would i want to see what is effectively a notice of someone saying they like a webpage, rather than the webpage? And considering google claim…

I wonder why rights holders don’t issue takedowns to Pinterest for their google results. Usually the image only supports Pinterest as a way to try to get someone to sign up. There are no links through to the creator

Edit: takedowns to google for Pinterest google results.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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This is how it begins. Then as three or four companies gradually consume all smaller services (which is happening and has been happening for years), you need to sell your soul to them to view anything.

My advice is to just say "no thanks" and move on.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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This is typical marketing-speak. I am becoming temporarily deaf whenever I hear it. Read it the following way: We have a reason to do it but we don't want to tell you so instead we will tell you a little bit of righteously-sounding bullshit so that most of sheep base is satisfied. Yes, that's "sheep", because you are not our customers, our customers are those companies we sell your information and your focus to.

I really don't think there are sheeps around who actually believe that. Everybody knows this is just marketing speak in a way, marketing people are expected to speak. Or maybe, there are people who would believe it, but they have an account already. And most simple do not care. They read, they have to create an account to get the content, so they do create an account.

You wouldn't believe what people can believe in. People who don't believe corporate messages are not target for corporate messages.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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Doesn't bother me. The purpose of Instagram for me is to look at my social circle's lives. If everything they do makes them less of a generic public social network Tik-Tok / Reddit / Facebook / Twitter style, I'd prefer that actually.

What about when it's on another site that you don't have access to? What about when it's a type of content that is relevant to you? This is hacker news so I'll assume you're involved in technology in some capacity - what if something like Stackoverflow was purchased by Facebook or Google and you couldn't view questions without a valid Facebook account?

You're seeing step 1 and not realizing that step 4 or 5 is the entire web gated behind walls.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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post #134

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If you signed up for gmail or similar early, then dumbasses of the world use your email address as 'their email' dozens of times a day for random internet accounts because it's also their name, and they don't understand or don't care that it isn't their email address. It gets tiring fast and services don't deal with this usecase that well other than 'forget password'. That guy was the initial asshole to signup using…

People don't seem to understand just how common this problem is with any sort of initial.lastname@gmail address. It is insane to me that so many major big name companies do ZERO email verification on signups and just start spamming me with with garbage every time some idiot uses my email address and expect me to "unsubscribe" to something I never subscribed to in the first place.

I've had this happen to me, getting emails about credit score applications and u-haul rentals and whatnot. I can't even contact many of these companies to fix it except creating an account which I'm obviously not going to do.

Re: Instagram no longer allows people without an account to view photos on computers

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Some friends roped me into signing up to Instagram, so I did. I got to the sign in process and "an error occurred". I tried to login and it said "account does not exist", but I tried to re-sign up, and it said "This account already exists". I emailed them for help but they said I had to post a photo of myself holding a pad with my username on it. Which, fair enough, but giving away my face to a faceless corporation i…

The whole point of Instagram is giving away your face to a faceless corporation.
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