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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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The only thing that holds back my Employer to switch to Linux for 6500+ Desktops is Microsoft Office and full MS Exchange compatibility. The Collegues who need Adobe Products just have to work with Apple Machines anyway.

office 360 seems to work ok. The bank I used to work for moved to cloud exchange already.

I think this is the answer.

Since edge has moved closer to chromium, chromium on Linux should be decently supported there.

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Ignoring format issues, LibreOffice just feels extremly slugish for me. I get little freezes all the time, the UI is laggy and startup time is pretty bad too. I came to dislike it so much that i prefer to edit things in Google Docs over LibreOffice .

I haven't tried it but some people say 'OnlyOffice' is a better branch than libreoffice, it seems to support MS-Office standards better, but, as I said I've never tried it. Only trouble these people had was with certain fonts, but I guess the remedy would be to choose embed all fonts upon saving and sharing, if that helps, then perhaps OnlyOffice, desktop version, is an option, for some. I plan to try it, although I…

I love OnlyOffice along with WPS Office, but they're not "branches" of libreoffice at all, completely different products. You might be confusing LibreOffice branching from Sun OpenOffice.org/Star Office.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. My main concern with Snap is security. Using the default Ubuntu Apt repositories, I can `apt install` pretty much anything I want and it's almost guaranteed to not be malicious/dangerous, as only trusted/well-established developers can get their package into the Apt repos. However, with Snap, everybody in…

Don't forget performance. SquashFS has terrible IO performance and you pay that price every time you open an application.

https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/squashfs-is-a-terrible-storage-...

There's an even bigger security hole with Snaps. If a library is compromised on apt, they'll push the update and your applications will be updated. With a Snap, every single snap developer must somehow come across the error (which could be in a sub-dependency), find the fix, then deploy again. Very few (if any) dev teams are that well connected to the development of their dependencies. In contrast, the developers of those dependencies will be very well connected.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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> Does anyone care to suggest an ubuntu-like distribution for someone like me who wants their OS light? What about Debian? You staying on 14.04 for so long surely means that the slightly slower moving Debian stable is not an issue for you. It supports lots of window managers. I'm using i3 with a simple xinitrc here, but also XFCE or LXDE are available. You can install it very very lightweight and as Ubuntu bases of D…

how well do ppa's work on Debian? I don't like my system constantly updating (and occasionally breaking) - esp secretly behind my back like snap/flatpak but occasionally I do need the latest version of some package and i don't want to manage manually installations tucked away in some folder with random bashrc tweaks

There is no official support for PPAs on Debian. You can configure a Debian system to use them, but you'll be installing packages built on and for Ubuntu, so you'll be risking breakage unless the package maintainer has already taken the extra time to test for problems on Debian (which is rare).

This feature request shows some community interest in Debian support, but as far as I know, it hasn't gone anywhere yet. https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/188564

I wish Debian offered its own equivalent of PPAs.

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Most people stick with Mac and Windows because of MS Office, not Adobe.

Microsoft Office has fairly reasonable and popular browser-based alternatives. Adobe’s suite doesn’t.

Sort of, and only really starting in the last year or so, and still limited from the real version, but the market for adobe products among anyone who wants to use Linux is pretty much zero.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Ubuntu had the calculator as a snap! What's the idea with that? It suddenly took 2 secs to load and uses load of memory... I dont care packaging got easier. I care for a smooth working system I can understand and instrument, and that does not hog resources.

Oh! Is _that_ why the calculator is nigh unusable now? Sheesh, this just shot snap's credibility right out the window. It's faster for me to boot up the node executable and do my calculations there.

`bc -l` is pretty awesome.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. My main concern with Snap is security. Using the default Ubuntu Apt repositories, I can `apt install` pretty much anything I want and it's almost guaranteed to not be malicious/dangerous, as only trusted/well-established developers can get their package into the Apt repos. However, with Snap, everybody in…

Don't forget performance. SquashFS has terrible IO performance and you pay that price every time you open an application. https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/squashfs-is-a-terrible-storage-... There's an even bigger security hole with Snaps. If a library is compromised on apt, they'll push the update and your applications will be updated. With a Snap, every single snap developer must somehow come across the error (which cou…

> If a library is compromised on apt, they'll push the update and your applications will be updated. With a Snap, every single snap developer must somehow come across the error (which could be in a sub-dependency), find the fix, then deploy again.

Snaps compete with third party apt repositories, not distribution-provided packages (but see below). I've seen a general trend in complex upstreams _bundling_ their dependencies even in builds destined for apt/deb -based distribution via third party apt repositories - because handling differing dependency versions across every distribution release is too complex. In this case, your distinction is moot. In both situations it is up to the upstream developers to update their dependencies. Only that with snaps, their sandboxing security model provides some mitigation.

It is true that some packages traditionally shipped by the distribution are moving to snaps, such as Chromium. This is because these packages are moving to bundling anyway, because updating them during the lifetime of a stable distribution release has become impossible any other way, due to the same dependency pain.

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I'm on Fedora where the equivalent is called Flathub/Flatpaks. There are definitely some rough edges still, but the possible upsides are amazing for me. It makes it way easier for a developer to release for different Linux-flavors. The applications get sandboxed and there is much less risk to mess up your system. Stuff like permission, similar to Android/iOS becomes possible. There for sure is problems to: it makes i…

My understanding is snap and flatpak are not equivalent at all because snap is more permissive whereas flatpak is sandboxed. Specifically, it is not possible to do gpg signed commits from flatpak (e.g., jetbrains idea) without tweaks upstream. I agree with the overarching idea though: it gets worse before it gets better. See wayland and how we still can’t capture display in obs. I am a little torn on this. Should the…

"classic" snaps are not sandboxed, and you have to acknowledge that when installing them.

"modern" snaps are sandboxed, and you can change their permissions in the Settings/Control-Panel app. You might argue with the choice of permission granularity, but it IS there.

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Microsoft Office has fairly reasonable and popular browser-based alternatives. Adobe’s suite doesn’t.

Sort of, and only really starting in the last year or so, and still limited from the real version, but the market for adobe products among anyone who wants to use Linux is pretty much zero.

(I'm talking about Google Docs.)
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