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Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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This questionable business practice is neither new nor limited to online companies. Brick and mortar companies like Costco do have their own products competing from other vendors, and I am sure they analyze sales data before jumping on selling their own.

Isn't that exactly what the grandparent comment said?

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In this case it's shitty to be a supplier but isn't this great for the consumer?

Definitely not. Consumers are best served when you have a bunch of relatively equal players competing for their business, and where success is rewarded financially. That gives everybody an incentive to focus on continuously getting better at serving the customer through R&D, etc. But if the reward for success is just having Amazon come in and hoover up the money you would have gotten by launching a knockoff, then sud…

I dislike Amazon as much as the next guy but let's not kid ourselves here. Consumers aren't looking for innovation in the paper towel market. They just want cheap stuff. If Amazon can make these products cheaper then the consumers win.

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Stating the obvious I guess. All retailers do this and create their own white-label brands to squeeze profit from well-performing categories. Target, for instance, is very upfront about it and they have like a gazillion white-label brands that compete in hundreds of categories, which makes it very gray for the customer. Does anyone really think that any retailer launches a competing product in a category without look…

They own the platform which means they can see the data. This seems like a natural evolution. If you don’t own the platform the platform owns you.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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In this case it's shitty to be a supplier but isn't this great for the consumer?

No, this is not great for the consumer. It lowers the bar for everyone. What I find mostly on Amazon in the past year or so is cheaper imported versions of decent products. The decent products are hard to find or I have to look outside of Amazon. They've pushed out the quality and replaced it with higher profit junk. Its kind of the same thing with Home Depot. I used to be able to buy quality hardware from a local st…

I tried to look for a decent priced backpack on Amazon a few months ago but there are a gazillion listings for what appears to be the same backpack, only the names differ. I ended up just buying it straight from Aliexpress from where it undoubtedly has been sourced from one of the same (or single?) factories. There's basically cheap-as-chips level products, and then 'high-grade' which is still dubious at times whether the quality of materials is better or not. Middle of the pack product pricing seems to just be swallowed up in a race for the bottom or the top.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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I’m not an Amazon fan boy, but I am a Costco fan boy, and they do the same thing, so I don’t really think I can be too upset about this. Retail is ruthless.

I've lived in Kirkland, Washington, off and on since 1994. It's amazing how many people all over the world know of Kirkland from Costco branding. For a log time the reddit tag line[0] was "We're more than Costco!" [0]: https://old.reddit.com/r/Kirkland/

Same actually! Grew up in Juanita from ‘89-‘03 then went to UW and have stayed in Seattle proper mostly since.

I always thought it was funny, as a young kid, that my city’s name was on all sorts of products, not making the connection.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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Stating the obvious I guess. All retailers do this and create their own white-label brands to squeeze profit from well-performing categories. Target, for instance, is very upfront about it and they have like a gazillion white-label brands that compete in hundreds of categories, which makes it very gray for the customer. Does anyone really think that any retailer launches a competing product in a category without look…

This is totally false - the number of retailers who have testified before congress that they don't use seller data to compete against sellers - and then who go ahead and do just that is basically zero. Additionally, most other retailers actually BUY the third parties products and take the risk of promoting and selling it. On Amazon third parties take the inventory and many other risks and may have to pay amazon to pr…

Can you link to where AMZN has said this?

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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why marketplaces are able to compete with their sellers is beyond me.

Why sellers would use a market place that is obviously going to compete with them is beyond me.

Because there's not another marketplace where you can, with some effort and very little actual innovation, turn a $5,000 investment into a six (and sometimes seven) figure a year revenue stream.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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It is actually illegal in EU, I wonder the implications of these actions for them.

Learn from US businesses and launch same white label product in Europe. This avoids running afoul of taking advantage of any data on European Amazon sellers.

Re: Amazon scooped up data from its own sellers to launch competing products

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The key difference between what Amazon does and Costco/Walmart etc does, is that regular retail takes the risk of buying the product to resell, prior to gathering data and considering whether to clone it. Amazon is able to snoop on all the sales data without any risk.

We sell an ERP catered to distributors and many do sell on Amazon. I’ve always wondered why on earth they would continue to sell on a platform that’s constantly gathering their selling data, or even inventory if they’re going FBA, and eventually try to undercut them if their products sell well. Their response is usually “I’m making enough money now, why worry about later?” or “our product category is too niche for Am…

The other thing is that Amazon effectively has unlimited funds to fight a seller for control of an ASIN. They can sell at a loss for as long as it takes to squeeze you out. They have a massive unfair advantage.
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