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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by vzidex »

kabacha wrote: post #239

The obsession with this phone never ceases to amaze me. I'm really trying to get it but I think there's very vocal minority discussing this: american iphone fans. I would never imagine buying a 64GB non-expandable phone with a single camera and such absurd screen for 480€ in 2020. New 128GB+sd slot s10e is around 450€ and that did small form factor _right_. For a tech forum the iphone se obsession just seems so alien…

I'm guessing that for most people it's one of the two following:

a. They're used to iOS/integrated into Apple's ecosystem, and this gives them a way to cheaply get a new phone that keeps them on that model.

b. This phone will probably shoot better photos than any Android at this price point, and even a decent chunk above it. Apple has been really focusing on their cameras the last few years, and the only examples of photography on an Android device that I've seen beat Apple's newer phones is from Google's Pixel devices.

All in all, it sounds like this is a case of other people liking different things than you, and that is a-OK :) (and most likely not astroturfing)

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by relaxing »

perl4ever wrote: post #41
labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

"The new SE/2" Now I'm wondering if anyone ever made a Mac SE/30 run OS/2.

I don’t think so. OS/2 ran on x86 or PPC, but not 68k.

There was a Mac86 board with an 8086 processor that fit the SE/30’s PDS slot, but I’m pretty sure OS/2 1.x required a 286.

You might be able to install OS/2 on a Mac II with a Mac286 NuBus card, but it seems like a stretch. I can’t find evidence of anyone having done it.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by nordsieck »

iso1631 wrote: post #210
atomi wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of us here work with workstations or laptops, daily. But generally speaking not as many people are using them in their home. A lot of folks do use their phones primarily for media watching and browsing. And that's a big chunk of Apple's market.

It makes perfect sense to have Cheap phone with big screen and not much else - the "lowest common denominator" Expensive phone with big screen - the "power user" Expensive phone with small screen - the mobile user Laptops tend to come in such groupings, why is the last group ignored when it comes to phones?

> why is the last group ignored when it comes to phones?

Presumably because there isn't actually that much demand for that category. Apple tried it out with the original SE and they have the sales data. If there were tons of people clamoring for a sequel, they would have made one instead of a refreshed iPhone 8.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by Leherenn »

iso1631 wrote: post #210
atomi wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of us here work with workstations or laptops, daily. But generally speaking not as many people are using them in their home. A lot of folks do use their phones primarily for media watching and browsing. And that's a big chunk of Apple's market.

It makes perfect sense to have Cheap phone with big screen and not much else - the "lowest common denominator" Expensive phone with big screen - the "power user" Expensive phone with small screen - the mobile user Laptops tend to come in such groupings, why is the last group ignored when it comes to phones?

I think one part is that they're afraid to be grilled by reviews leading to bad sales.

A $1000 4" phone won't have the same capabilities as a $1000 6.5" phone, and reviewers somehow do not seem to understand it might be ok and will trash the smaller phone.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by relaxing »

relaxing wrote: post #252
perl4ever wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The new SE/2" Now I'm wondering if anyone ever made a Mac SE/30 run OS/2.

I don’t think so. OS/2 ran on x86 or PPC, but not 68k. There was a Mac86 board with an 8086 processor that fit the SE/30’s PDS slot, but I’m pretty sure OS/2 1.x required a 286. You might be able to install OS/2 on a Mac II with a Mac286 NuBus card, but it seems like a stretch. I can’t find evidence of anyone having done it.

Ahaha! Found in Infoworld Vol. 10 Issue 1 (January 1988)...

Headline: “RUNNING OS/2 ON THE MAC II: DO USERS CARE?”

Choice quotes: “The Mac 286 has everything necessary to run OS/2, but we haven’t tested it” ... “If a guy’s already got a Mac II, the idea of running OS/2 is pretty ludicrous.”

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by kiplkipl »

corobo wrote: post #203
p1necone wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone" It's only cheap relative to Apples other phones, it's still outside of the range I'd consider reasonable. Although it seems the reason most people spend so much on phones is to get better cameras? Which I'm not particularly bothered about - maybe it's worth it for that.

Cheap in this case usually means "free with monthly contract" rather than cheap upfront

By that metric, my car is free.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by jxcl »

coldpie wrote: post #188
captaincrowbar wrote: post #177

There's a good reason why Apple aren't making the small form factor phone lots of you are asking for: logistics. The new SE requires very little new manufacturing capacity. The case and probably battery are from the iPhone 8; the CPU/GPU/SOC and most of the rest of the electronics are from the iPhone 11; the camera still seems to be a slightly unknown quantity but the specs suggest it has a lot in common with the iPh…

All that makes sense, but forget Apple, one of the Android manufacturers should serve this market. I feel like there's a sizeable niche that could fund one small, high quality Android phone. It's really never been done; all the small phones that have come out have been compromised in some way. Sony's Xperia Compact line came the closest, but it doesn't use stock Android, which is a huge point against it. I feel like…

Palm makes a phone that might fit what you're looking for

https://palm.com/

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by [deleted] »

p1necone wrote: post #34
labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

> "It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone" It's only cheap relative to Apples other phones, it's still outside of the range I'd consider reasonable. Although it seems the reason most people spend so much on phones is to get better cameras? Which I'm not particularly bothered about - maybe it's worth it for that.

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