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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by TsiCClawOfLight »

mehrdadn wrote: post #82

Just tried upgrading on WSL and I got an endless loop of sleep: cannot read realtime clock: Invalid argument Ctrl+C and then I get $ sudo apt --fix-broken install ... Setting up libc6:amd64 (2.31-0ubuntu9) ... Checking for services that may need to be restarted... Checking init scripts... Nothing to restart. sleep: cannot read realtime clock: Invalid argument dpkg: error processing package libc6:amd64 (--configure):…

20.04 (well, modern glibc) is not compatible with WSL 1 due to missing bridges for a realtime-clock system call!

Microsoft is working on a patch, but until then, you need WSL 2 or stay on the previous release.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by Kipters »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #48
coinerone wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that holds back my Employer to switch to Linux for 6500+ Desktops is Microsoft Office and full MS Exchange compatibility. The Collegues who need Adobe Products just have to work with Apple Machines anyway.

Just switch to LibreOffice. The dependency on .docx/.xlsx is an overblown propaganda. I personally had a business in 2007..2011 that replaced windows for Linux. All that time I heard that same old song again: "But but MS Office is so essential!". Turned out, not so much, on over 5000 PCs in several dozen companies. Update: business eventually failed, for one simple reason - Ubuntu Linux is too freaking stable. The id…

You'd lose the realtime collaboration features though.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by alpaca128 »

cies wrote: post #91
zyga wrote: post #79

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It's still work in progress but snaps genuinely make packaging easier. There are rough edges, especially on the desktop, but those are all being worked on, in collaboration with flatpak actually. It will take a while but in the future it will not be any worse at runtime and it will be much, much easier to package and run apps across releases and OSes

Ubuntu had the calculator as a snap! What's the idea with that? It suddenly took 2 secs to load and uses load of memory... I dont care packaging got easier. I care for a smooth working system I can understand and instrument, and that does not hog resources.

Snap and flatpak are great fallback methods. I first try installing software natively, but sometimes it's not available/compatible and you really need it to work, so flatpak is great to just get it running at all.

I'm not a fan of using it as the default though, and flatpak isn't immune to issues either, for example I use a flatpak package which regularly can't be updated for months because of some incorrect metadata if the error message can be believed.

I still think it's a good step forward for increasing compatibility especially across different Linux distributions.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by pedrocr »

Tade0 wrote: post #92
mehrdadn wrote: post #82

Just tried upgrading on WSL and I got an endless loop of sleep: cannot read realtime clock: Invalid argument Ctrl+C and then I get $ sudo apt --fix-broken install ... Setting up libc6:amd64 (2.31-0ubuntu9) ... Checking for services that may need to be restarted... Checking init scripts... Nothing to restart. sleep: cannot read realtime clock: Invalid argument dpkg: error processing package libc6:amd64 (--configure):…

For the life of me I don't get how people always say upgrades are so easy on Ubuntu. They do? I just assume that I have to do a backup of my data, wipe the disk and install they new version. Ubuntu updates never worked for me.

I think it's one of the things Ubuntu dropped from the Debian experience. In-place upgrades are much less reliable. I also tend to wipe and reinstall on the desktop at least. Makes me keep configs in dotfiles/puppet and is good training for having to replace a computer. On the server side, upgrading between LTS releases seems to work better.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by Vinnl »

curt15 wrote: post #28
thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

>Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. Where did you hear about this?

They mention it here, but it's pretty non-committal: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-20-04-survey-results

> Adobe Photoshop (Illustrator®, Acrobat and Creative Cloud®) were asked for over a hundred times. (...) bringing these kinds of tools and applications to Linux is an ongoing effort.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by majewsky »

theelous3 wrote: post #102
coinerone wrote: post #96

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Have you ever tried to open an Excel Sheet from 2002, that one that is existencially important for the whole success of the company :), with makros as big as the Windows Codebase itself, in Libre Office? I can tell MS Office will not leave the field.

Sounds like something a human wouldn't have any use looking at anyway. Multi gb excel files? This is what programming is for.

> Multi gb excel files? This is what programming is for.

Excel is arguably the most successful programming language ever, or at the very very least second most successful after JavaScript.

(Note to future commenter: I said "most successful", not "best".)

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by SSLy »

doublesCs wrote: post #86
Zhyl wrote: post #47

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If you're just looking for a DE/WM that's light on resources, I can definitely recommend tiling window managers like i3 [1]. I'm not sure what other changes would be in your sightlines given that you were happy with Ubuntu, but I usually go to the Arch wiki in those times to see what fat I can trim off of my setup. [1] https://i3wm.org/

I enjoyed reading i3's landing page, thanks for linking. So could you clarify for me, what's the relation between being a "tiling windows manager" and being light? Is it that for some technical reason one would expect tiling windows managers in general to be lighter than non-tiling? Or is it that orthogonally to the tiling aspect, i3 specifically aims to be light?

It's a cultural thing. Most developers of tilling WM's seem to prefer less resource-heavy setups.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by markosaric »

thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

Nice release! The latest Gnome included (3.36) is so much smoother and faster!

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by bubblethink »

capableweb wrote: post #6
gerdesj wrote: post #4

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"It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal." There's another way?

Oh yeah, used to be at least two more ways. Not sure which one of these are not possible but anymore, but you used to be able to do: 1) Synaptic package manager which is a GUI for searching and installing .debs. My first exposure to a package manager when I first installed Ubuntu some 12 years ago. 2) Simply double-clicking on the file, opening the Gdebi (I think?) UI for installing that specific .deb file.

Synaptic should still work at least for the X session. I haven't used it in a while, but it is a really good package manager. They got it right a decade ago.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by oefrha »

iameli wrote: post #14
Legogris wrote: post #8

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This, for me, marks the release when (somewhat unfortunately, 18.04 LTS has been good) I will not use Ubuntu for any new installations - desktop or server. I can see how snaps are beneficial for novice desktop users who want an AppStore-like experience, but how do they see people adopting this for Ubuntu Server?

Apt isn't going anywhere. What changed for you on the server side?

Just upgraded on my non-essential home server, and apparently lxd is only available via snap now, for whatever reason.

https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lxd&searchon=nam...

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