Live data from Hacker News

The 2020 iPhone SE

daringfireball.net

21–30 of 317 posts

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#21
post #10

> a $400 iPhone SE bests a > $3,000 top-of-the-line > MacBook Pro in single-core > CPU performance. Whenever I see these sorts of benchmarks, it just makes me focus on how much iOS is the limiting factor of these devices.

When I see those benchmarks I wonder what they are actually measuring because it's very likely not general purpose compute.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#22

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

I wonder how comparable Geekbench actually is across different CPU architectures and operating systems though?

Linus Torvalds is quoted here: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpost... as saying that Geekbench 4.0 shouldn't be treated as a valid comparison between desktops/laptops and phones. (However this review used Geekbench 5.0 - not sure what differences there are).

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#23
post #15
post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

fingerprint reader

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#24
post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

I’ve found it’s helpful if you make a slight half circle from the multitasking bar (whatever the bottom bar you pull on is called) to instantly go back to the last app.

But it’s a memory game with what is on your app stack. Was Duo open last or email or calculator? If you aren’t sure you need to pull straight up into scroll mode... I don’t think there is a great solution to this, Apple has surely spent millions and millions every year on mobile UX.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#25
post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

FaceId is trash but swipe multitasking on the iPhone is an amazing iteration. That said, the tap to hold for an hour to move icons around is also trash. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#26
post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

I do miss the home button for authentication. FaceID requires "full attention", while TouchID works even while distracted, and (crucially) in landscape.

But for multitasking, I really do prefer the swipe-up gesture. I don't find it painful at all, it feels very natural: touch from the bottom, slide up, and then horizontally to select what you want.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#27
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fun fact: iPhone's buttons are not mechanical buttons starting with iPhone 7. The click you feel when you press it is just the taptic engine. If you have an iPhone 7 or 8, try turning it off and try to press the button.

Just the home button, the rest are mechanical even on the newest iphones.

The X adds Taptic to the mechanical click of volume buttons

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#28
post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

Not likely to be cheap, but the rumor for this fall's iPhone update is 4 phones, the "standard" model coming in small and medium, and the "pro" model in medium and large.

Unfortunately what passes for the small size isn't as small as I'd like it to be, with the screen diagonal supposedly dropping from 5.8 in the iPhone 11 Pro down to 5.4" in the new base model.

Overall size is probably similar to the iPhone SE (2020) except with the screen being much larger to cover the forehead and chin. At least it's an improvement over the current situation where all three iPhones 11 are physically bigger than the 8.

Also bummed that the smallest size won't have an option for the best camera setup like this year's do. Ah well. We'll see for sure in September.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#29
post #15
post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

Not everyone wants to learn, and there's no ambiguity double-clicking the home button; whereas sometimes a gesture may not register.

My parents prefer physical buttons over gestures. If Apple releases a "max" version of the 2020 SE, I'll be upgrading them to it.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#30
post #15
post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

If you're already satisfied by your experience on the phone, and you don't have to relearn anything, that could be a pretty compelling reason to go with the SE.
Post reply on HN