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AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by simlevesque »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #74
kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

If you have a strong, negative emotional response to the name of a project, I think letting the project author know can be helpful. I’m a rational guy to the best of my ability, but FWIW I would avoid using this project solely because of its name (just the thought of that name evokes a sick feeling to me - that’s how strong the negative association is... I won’t explain why as this isn’t an appropriate venue for that…

Do you think your reaction is professional ?

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by ipython »

adrianmonk wrote: post #56
sergiotapia wrote: post #32

Seriously "Moloch", was Lucifer or Satan taken already? Edit: And the logo is an owl lmao hard pass - what can they gain from this?

Yes, SATAN was already taken! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_Administrator_Tool_fo...

Not to worry, three years later it was succeeded by a SAINT :-p

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAINT_(software)

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by phs318u »

Ohn0 wrote: post #103
pgsbathhouse2 wrote: post #95

Naming things is hard in software. But some people won't even bother trying.

This too confuses me. Why that name?

This might be a clue, given the potential uses of such a tool.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by phs318u »

ignoramous wrote: post #3

Not the greatest choice of name: Moloch[a] (also Molech, Mollok, Milcom, or Malcam) is the biblical name of a Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice, through fire or war. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Makes more sense.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by [deleted] »

akhilcacharya wrote: post #96
kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

> What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? excuse me...w-what?

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Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by jlgaddis »

The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard [0] has been around for ~25 years but it still took quite a long time before most Linux distros decided to adhere to it (for the most part; some still do "non-standard" things at times).

Now that we're to that point, please stop screwing it up and coming up wih your own locations for application binaries, data, etc.

To be clear, the "/data" directory -- under which Moloch's pre-built packages apparently install to, according to the README [1] -- is not part of the FHS.

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[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard

[1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aol/moloch/master/release/...

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by traden210 »

jlgaddis wrote: post #116

The Filesystem Hierarchy Standard [0] has been around for ~25 years but it still took quite a long time before most Linux distros decided to adhere to it (for the most part; some still do "non-standard" things at times). Now that we're to that point, please stop screwing it up and coming up wih your own locations for application binaries, data, etc. To be clear, the "/data" directory -- under which Moloch's pre-built…

This is probably intended to be run in a container, but as that's not specified, it's certainly extremely weird.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by TimTheTinker »

simlevesque wrote: post #111
TimTheTinker wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have a strong, negative emotional response to the name of a project, I think letting the project author know can be helpful. I’m a rational guy to the best of my ability, but FWIW I would avoid using this project solely because of its name (just the thought of that name evokes a sick feeling to me - that’s how strong the negative association is... I won’t explain why as this isn’t an appropriate venue for that…

Do you think your reaction is professional ?

In a professional environment, I’d keep that to myself unless someone asked me for feedback or I had a hand in the decision But I think once the point is brought up in an online forum, that’s an appropriate venue to give feedback like that.

Like it or not, people will have internal reactions to things—and I for one would prefer if others let me know if they found a project name I chose to be difficult in some way.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by fireattack »

gyehuda wrote: post #61
cryptoquick wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Moloch is free now. DARPA had to make a lot of sacrifices to make that happen, though.

They do an amazing job keeping it secret too. Can't even find them on the contributor list https://github.com/aol/moloch/graphs/contributors

Off-topic question: does this graph mean that top two people write 99% of the code? Or they're just sharing the account(s)?
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