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Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

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Post by maxerickson »

kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

Unless a bunch of people deleted their comments, at the time you posted, the comments actually criticizing the name had about as many words as the first half of your comment, with replies mostly pushing back instead of agreeing.

None of the critical comments were particularly strident ('bent out of shape').

Your comment might as well be about itself.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#72

Post by untog »

maxerickson wrote: post #71
kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

Unless a bunch of people deleted their comments, at the time you posted, the comments actually criticizing the name had about as many words as the first half of your comment, with replies mostly pushing back instead of agreeing. None of the critical comments were particularly strident ('bent out of shape'). Your comment might as well be about itself.

Not to mention the OP participated in the debate about the name themselves. This being the top rated comment is a self-fulfilling prophecy, it’s getting in the way of a discussion about the tech!

Oh but now I’ve contributed to it as well. Uh oh...

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#73

Post by lazyier »

kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

> Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life.

I don't think that it's worth giving much of a crap about it, but it is tasteless as fuck.

Molochism is the biblical name for the pagan practice of child sacrifice.

It's about the same tier as calling a software project 'Faggot Smasher' and then wondering why people would object to such a thing.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#74

Post by TimTheTinker »

kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

If you have a strong, negative emotional response to the name of a project, I think letting the project author know can be helpful.

I’m a rational guy to the best of my ability, but FWIW I would avoid using this project solely because of its name (just the thought of that name evokes a sick feeling to me - that’s how strong the negative association is... I won’t explain why as this isn’t an appropriate venue for that).

We are human, and sometimes visceral responses can’t be ignored regardless of their irrationality.

I could invoke Godwin’s law to give a more universal example of words with negative associations, but I’ll refrain.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#75

Post by xenihn »

ignoramous wrote: post #3

Not the greatest choice of name: Moloch[a] (also Molech, Mollok, Milcom, or Malcam) is the biblical name of a Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice, through fire or war. From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

Honestly the first thing that came to my mind was Watchmen.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#76

Post by kfrzcode »

ignoramous wrote: post #66
kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

> Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. A lot of people do care about what things (living or not) are named and even how , sometimes and attach a lot of emotional value to it for a good reason. Quoting Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_naming#Principles - They strategically distinguish the product from its competitors by c…

You have good points. Clearly the name of a thing matters.

I'm arguing that the naming of a thing matters less than the efficacy of the thing itself. Doubly so in a hacker-oriented forum.

As for the echo-chamber, that's a classic human fallacy which I think is magnified by the centralization of content aggregation into heavily personalized "newsfeed" style design choices perpetuated by major players.

The epidemic of "outrage culture," or "offense culture" is something comedians and free thinkers have been discussing for awhile, and I think is underpinning of my personal frustrations.

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"This idea of "I'm offended". I've got news for you - I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. Get in touch with your outer adult, and grow up, and move on."

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Post, comment, discuss as y'all like, right? That's the beauty of the format. I'm simply one of ∞.

The folks in the community here are brilliant, and the reasonable ones are off doing something meaningful, whereas I'm here arguing for practice, basically.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#77

Post by gjs278 »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #74
kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

If you have a strong, negative emotional response to the name of a project, I think letting the project author know can be helpful. I’m a rational guy to the best of my ability, but FWIW I would avoid using this project solely because of its name (just the thought of that name evokes a sick feeling to me - that’s how strong the negative association is... I won’t explain why as this isn’t an appropriate venue for that…

you are a disgusting normie. I wish the internet was harder to connect to.

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#78

Post by kfrzcode »

untog wrote: post #72
maxerickson wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless a bunch of people deleted their comments, at the time you posted, the comments actually criticizing the name had about as many words as the first half of your comment, with replies mostly pushing back instead of agreeing. None of the critical comments were particularly strident ('bent out of shape'). Your comment might as well be about itself.

Not to mention the OP participated in the debate about the name themselves. This being the top rated comment is a self-fulfilling prophecy, it’s getting in the way of a discussion about the tech! Oh but now I’ve contributed to it as well. Uh oh...

I am satisfied that this reply chain recognizes the irony in my long-winded argument. :)

"Look and despair, yo!"

Re: AOL Moloch: open-source, large scale, packet-capturing, indexing database system

#79

Post by [deleted] »

kfrzcode wrote: post #49

The amount of professional-grade hand-wringing virtue-signaling in this comment section makes me feel ill. Why get bent out of shape over the name of a software project? It's virtually a meaningless factor in day-to-day life. What about hearing phrases "Sacrificing a Chicken to Moloch," the "spirit cooking" culture and related symbolism rampant in elite political circles? Shouldn't we be more interested in that? Lots…

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