Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

rainews.it

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

61–70 of 78 posts

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#61

Post by tom_mellior »

mirimir wrote: post #53
vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

Why the fuck have so many downvoted this? > This is heavily disputed. That is a fact . > edit: if anyone misread my quotes as personal opinion, they're not. I know that discussing downvotes is boring. But this is so egregiously stupid that it's justified.

It is a fact that this is "heavily disputed" in the same way that there is a "controversy" about evolution vs. divine creation of life forms. That is, yes, you might have a crazy aunt or grandpa who "disputes" the scientific facts. But that is not an interesting observation, nor is it something that has a "threshold [...] for changing that idea".

Personally, I downvoted the original post because it was so badly written that it's not clear what interesting point, if any, the parent was trying to make.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#62

Post by DangerousPie »

pm_me_ur_fullzz wrote: post #59
DangerousPie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvoting makes it obvious to any casual reader that the comment is heavily disputed and should not be relied upon.

lol, I disputed the idea that people don't dispute Covid's seriousness, and people thought I disputed Covid's seriousness and disputed the post itself. We have to go deeper.

Okay, I (and many others) may have misread your post then. Sorry!

It sounded like you were pointing this out because you agreed with the people disputing the seriousness of COVID. Rereading it I can see how you may have actually meant it.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#63

Post by gdubs »

theredbox wrote: post #7

So is this the virus or pneumonia scarring lungs?

Basically what COVID-19 does is bind to receptors in the delicate tissue of your lung’s air sacs. This prevents oxygen from crossing the barrier into the bloodstream.

What makes it worse is that your own immune response, which comes to try and fight the virus, ends up causing more blockages.

What these articles are unclear about is why this is “permanent”. But a guess is that it’s like fibrosis where the tissue is permanently hardening — like layers and layers of hardening paint on the interior walls of your house.

The aggressiveness of your immune response might be a variable that explains why some people get this worse than others — just a guess.

Inflammation, like with so many things, seems to be a big factor. This might be what’s happening with all the heart problems, but again no one is sure about anything at this stage.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#64

Post by zerof1l »

This reminds me of damage to lungs from smoking. We don't yet have enough research to claim that lungs will or will not recover from coronavirus. However, I would speculate that recovery is possible and in 5 or 10 years, just like with smoking, partial or near full recovery is possible.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#65

Post by happytoexplain »

mirimir wrote: post #53
vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

Why the fuck have so many downvoted this? > This is heavily disputed. That is a fact . > edit: if anyone misread my quotes as personal opinion, they're not. I know that discussing downvotes is boring. But this is so egregiously stupid that it's justified.

It's ridiculous to claim as fact something as subjective as "[whether COVID-19 is serious] is heavily disputed" (emphasis on the highly subjective words). It's also disingenuous to imply that the only thing a statement communicates is the factual part of the words. And, even disregarding all of that, you're ignoring this statement:

>we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#66

Post by detaro »

happytoexplain wrote: post #65
mirimir wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the fuck have so many downvoted this? > This is heavily disputed. That is a fact . > edit: if anyone misread my quotes as personal opinion, they're not. I know that discussing downvotes is boring. But this is so egregiously stupid that it's justified.

It's ridiculous to claim as fact something as subjective as "[whether COVID-19 is serious ] is heavily disputed" (emphasis on the highly subjective words). It's also disingenuous to imply that the only thing a statement communicates is the factual part of the words. And, even disregarding all of that, you're ignoring this statement: >we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase.

We sadly still are in the phase where some people are saying that.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#67

Post by happytoexplain »

detaro wrote: post #28
wbronitsky wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incredibly difficult to read posts like this in good faith. More and more people come here to tell us not to believe facts, to disregard what our eyes and ears tell us. It is not hard to connect the dots

You do realize that the commenter does not hold those opinions, but gives them as examples of opinions other people voice? And then people started arguing with the content of the examples, which is a bit pointless when nobody even claims their content is true.

The most charitable interpretation of the comment is that the author's only opinion is that whether the disease is serious is heavily debated, which is still an opinion that can be disagreed with.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#68

Post by happytoexplain »

detaro wrote: post #44
DangerousPie wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Downvoting makes it obvious to any casual reader that the comment is heavily disputed and should not be relied upon.

That there are still people thinking its not as big a deal is heavily disputed?

This is dishonest. The author absolutely did not simply say "there are still people thinking it's not a big deal".

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#69

Post by pm_me_ur_fullzz »

happytoexplain wrote: post #68
detaro wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That there are still people thinking its not as big a deal is heavily disputed?

This is dishonest. The author absolutely did not simply say "there are still people thinking it's not a big deal".

"There are still people thinking it's not a big deal, I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea."

username does not check out.

But did you notice it doesn't really matter how people read what I wrote when

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness.

that's the point I was bringing attention to? That it is not undisputed because a non-negligible amount of people think differently?

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

#70

Post by dang »

pm_me_ur_fullzz wrote: post #69
happytoexplain wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is dishonest. The author absolutely did not simply say "there are still people thinking it's not a big deal".

"There are still people thinking it's not a big deal, I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea." username does not check out. But did you notice it doesn't really matter how people read what I wrote when > It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. that's the point I was bringing attention to? That it is not undisputed because a non-negligible amount of peop…

I appreciate that this account has mostly been posting good comments, but would you mind changing your username? It's mildly trollish, and trollish usernames troll every thread an account posts to.

Email hn@ycombinator.com with the name you prefer, or just reply here and we can change it for you.

Post reply on HN