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Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by zwischenzug »

squiggleblaz wrote: post #16
s9w wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Young and healthy people are dying too A datapoint against that: We have a renowned pathologist in Hamburg (Prof Püschel) who examines every corona death in the city - about 60 so far. He was quoted multiple times that every single victim had severe preexisting conditions. And that none of them would have lived another year. He also challenged the idea that healthy/young people are in danger and gave the example of…

But aren't there many cases around the world of apparently healthy doctors and nurses and others who died of coronavirus? You could say "Oh, yes, they all had an undiscovered severe illness that would have killed them within the year". But generalising from one city with only 60 odd deaths to a necessary outcome in the face of apparent evidence to the contrary from places with much higher bodycounts seems like it's a…

'Viral load' is said to be a factor here.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by zwischenzug »

leonixyz wrote: post #13
nkkollaw wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RAI is Italy's state-owned TV channel(s). It's controlled by the party that is governing, and has all the problems of anything that is state-run, including a huge potential for inefficiencies, bureaucracy, and at times corruption. Given the quality level of the "experts" used by the government in this pandemic, I wouldn't give it any credit.

State-run doesn't mean anything... BBC is also state-run. It goes to the reputation of the single journalist. In this case the journalist is just citing Frank Hartig, "Oberarzt der Universitätsklinik Innsbruck" I don't have the knowledge to judge his papers and have an opinion about his credibility, but someone else might: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Hartig

The BBC is not state-run. It's an independent corporation funded by a specific tax.

Governments have always complained about BBC bias against them since its inception.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by hef19898 »

dboreham wrote: post #6
vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

> wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea It won't happen until some significant proportion of the population has had someone related to them or personally known to them die.

Unfortuntaley, that seems to be the case. By which point all of us might be in for a world of pain if we are nt extremely lucky.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by mcbits »

robbiep wrote: post #18
theredbox wrote: post #7

So is this the virus or pneumonia scarring lungs?

The virus is causing the pneumonia (which literally means lung inflammation). Although it is possible to get a superimposed bacterial infection over the top of this (to be mildly flippant, double pneumonia) because the lungs aren’t clearing debris and another infection can take hold. But the damage is specifically from the effects of the virus

I think the question was whether the virus causes permanent damage in patients without pneumonia.

Edit: From the translated article, apparently yes:

> All of them were not severe cases, their illnesses were five to six weeks ago and they are considered to have recovered. But they can no longer dive. "The damage to the lungs is irreversible"

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by ramblerman »

Funes- wrote: post #8
vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

>we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase. No, we are not. Young and healthy people are dying too. And that's with global confinement taking place. Just imagine in what kind of hell we would be if people were still roaming around freely; heaps of people would die just because they wouldn't have access to sanitary devices (ventilators, for instance) nor medicine. In any case, if…

Young and healthy people are dying, but I think it's important to have some numbers for context. Italy publishes bi weekly full reports on it's deaths, here is April 20ths: https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Repor...

It's not unfair to state that this disease, is much, much more dangerous for the 65+ age group. That being said I don't agree with the grandparent OP.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by acqq »

vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

> if anyone misread my quotes as personal opinion, they're not.

The way they are written, then simply ending them with yours "Been watching the studies closely though!" and pointing afterwards "mild symptoms recovered at home have permanent lung damage and divers cannot dive anymore." the message could still not be expected to be considered seriously. The whole message did in fact give an impression of agreement with the quotes, basically as if only those who have bigger risk should have problem with it.

And it's provably not true, as we are aware that even the younger doctors died, starting from:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51409801

Note the date of the article: February 7, 2020

Young? Check. Not fat? Check.

And after all that happened everywhere there are still posts like this all doesn't exist.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by wbronitsky »

vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

It is incredibly difficult to read posts like this in good faith. More and more people come here to tell us not to believe facts, to disregard what our eyes and ears tell us. It is not hard to connect the dots

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by detaro »

wbronitsky wrote: post #27
vmception wrote: post #2

> It is now undisputed that Covid-19 should be taken seriously as a serious illness. This is heavily disputed. I wonder what the threshold really is for changing that idea. Now that the death numbers are greater than the flu, we are still at the "those people were going to die within a year anyway" phase, and the "I am okay and have a BMI less than 30 so therefore people like me are okay" phase. Been watching the stu…

It is incredibly difficult to read posts like this in good faith. More and more people come here to tell us not to believe facts, to disregard what our eyes and ears tell us. It is not hard to connect the dots

You do realize that the commenter does not hold those opinions, but gives them as examples of opinions other people voice? And then people started arguing with the content of the examples, which is a bit pointless when nobody even claims their content is true.

Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by [deleted] »

detaro wrote: post #28
wbronitsky wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is incredibly difficult to read posts like this in good faith. More and more people come here to tell us not to believe facts, to disregard what our eyes and ears tell us. It is not hard to connect the dots

You do realize that the commenter does not hold those opinions, but gives them as examples of opinions other people voice? And then people started arguing with the content of the examples, which is a bit pointless when nobody even claims their content is true.

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Re: Lung damage in recovered Covid sufferers apparently permanent, research finds

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Post by fock »

akiselev wrote: post #15
s9w wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Young and healthy people are dying too A datapoint against that: We have a renowned pathologist in Hamburg (Prof Püschel) who examines every corona death in the city - about 60 so far. He was quoted multiple times that every single victim had severe preexisting conditions. And that none of them would have lived another year. He also challenged the idea that healthy/young people are in danger and gave the example of…

There are over 2.5 million confirmed cases of the virus worldwide, most of which are pre-recovery. Using a sixty person sample in Hamburg to make a definitive statement of severity is beyond the realm of idiocy. It's criminally negligent.

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