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14 days is, I believe, the estimated 99th percentile for incubation time, not the mean. Mean is more like 5 or 6 days.
The normal range of each phase is described in https://patient.info/news-and-features/coronavirus-how-quick... The average is 5-6 days to show any symptoms. That is the figure that you are remembering. If it is going to turn severe, the average to develop severe shortness of breath from first symptoms is another 7-10 days. Which means that the range from exposure to severe shortness of breath is 12-16 days...or an av…
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#172This article frankly sounds like the rambling of a crazy person with all of the attempts of secrecy and defensiveness. > A distant secondary consideration, but a real one, was that choosing to publish could bring down heavy sanctions, through predictable pathways. Why is the author afraid of "sanctions" in a first world democracy with strong freedom of speech protections? A much more interesting and useful article wo…
> Why is the author afraid of "sanctions" in a first world democracy with strong freedom of speech protections? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap... "Many Western human rights organizations alleged that the high conviction rate is due to rampant use of conviction solely based on confession. Confessions are often obtained after long periods of questioning by police as those arrested may be h…
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
The normal range of each phase is described in https://patient.info/news-and-features/coronavirus-how-quick... The average is 5-6 days to show any symptoms. That is the figure that you are remembering. If it is going to turn severe, the average to develop severe shortness of breath from first symptoms is another 7-10 days. Which means that the range from exposure to severe shortness of breath is 12-16 days...or an av…
They clearly said mean time to symptoms, not mean time to severe symptoms.
Though 14 days is probably a mean time to getting tested.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
That said, I don't think recognizing in late March that this virus spreads faster and is harder to control than previous similar ones was much of a leap of insight, and the article does seem a little too self-congratulatory over that. He made it amply clear to me that it wasn't much of a leap of insight, and the point of his original essay was to create proof that he knew that at the time. The fact that taking the ac…
That is cool if it got the NYT to publish it, and in turn got a national government to upgrade their outbreak response. >The fact that this happened again What do you mean by "again" in this sentence? What was the first time?
The point being that this was foreseeable at the time. Which was indicated the first time when he said that he assumed that the authorities in charge with access to more data than he had already had come to same conclusions that he did.
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#175>We project a true count of over 500,000 infections, including more than 5,000 severe cases, and a breakdown in provision of care (“overshoot”) in Nagoya, Osaka, and Tokyo, before the end of April. The current count is ~21,000 with the number of confirmed daily cases declining for 6 days straight, from 741 to 338 yesterday. So... not only wrong on the numbers themselves, but also on the scale, trajectory and impact o…
https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1252836409406152709?s=21
> NHK confirms that coronavirus-appropriate hospital beds are 80%+ filled in Tokyo, Osaka, Ishikawa, Hyogo, Shiga, and Okinawa.
> Experts threshold of concern for imminent impact on medical care is 30%, again per NHK.
> The 28 prefectures which are above that threshold will not fit in this tweet.
> NHK reports that several prefectures which were unable to sustain the prior strategy of hospitalizing all diagnosed cases have begun moving less severely affected patients to hotels/etc or asking them to self-sequester at home, temporarily freeing up bed space.
>!NHK reports that while reprioritization of hospitalization strategy and urgent measures to add more beds may buy some time, the situation risks a collapse in the provision of medical care, and that experts explain we cannot be optimistic.
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#176- I've seen/heard some doctors saying publicly, on Japanese TV, mid-March, "I think there are 10 times more cases than reported"
- There's an average of 270 deaths per day from pneumonia on a normal year in Japan (100k).
- The largest number of deaths announced from COVID-19 in a single day was, I think, yesterday, and it was 20.
- Deaths from pneumonia that aren't tested could very well appear to be in the noise of normal pneumonia deaths, easily hiding the real death toll. It doesn't take malicious intent for this to happen, just people following the rules (see below).
- Generally speaking, Japanese institutions have a very difficult time moving outside the box. If they have a written plan that is to be followed, that is what happens.
- The plan was to test people who had 4 consecutive days of fever (2 for older people) and close contact with people already diagnosed, and that's what happened.
- It took prefecture governors starting to do things on their own for the central government to start moving. That happened for school closures (Hokkaido leading the way, then Osaka, IIRC), and sending mild cases to hotels or making them stay at home, rather than occupy beds in hospitals (started in Osaka, IIRC)
- Hospitals have a shortage of equipment, and beds. Some prefectures have ramped up the number of available beds for infectious diseases. The government finally changed the rules to allow mild cases to be isolated out of hospitals (I think about a week ago, but it's hard to keep track of time these days).
- Some hospitals have closed their doors completely. The reason? Clusters of COVID-19 in staff and patients. Not because they were treating COVID-19 patients as COVID-19 patients. But because they were treating patients that turned out to have COVID-19. Or people with COVID-19 going there for consultations. Which is not all that surprising when you know people are reportedly going from hospital to hospital to try to be tested for COVID-19. If anything, I'm surprised there aren't more clusters in hospitals.
- There have been reports of ambulances having to try a large number of hospitals before finding an ER able to attend to their non-COVID-19 patient.
I wrote this on April 4: "the political response to covid-19 in Japan is pissing me off now. It now feels like watching a 100 km/h car running into a wall in slow motion, and the car is already in contact with the wall and absorbing kinetic energy."
Almost 3 weeks later, I think we're seeing the engine entering the passenger cabin.
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Sure happy to share. I guess most people would be surprised, but Japan has very straightforward and easy immigration if you meet the right conditions, of which Patrick is a shoe-in. He probably already has permanent residency, but if not, he could either be on a work visa or a spousal visa. None of those are going to get rejected because he did some amateur pandemic modeling. Assuming someone at immigration would tak…
I cofounded a company with Patrick several years ago and have known him for a long time, and in that entire time he has lived full time in Japan. I don't know the particulars of his immigration situation, but if I had to hazard a guess, yes, he's a PR. I don't know anything in particular about his concerns about his own status. I have, on the other hand, known many LPRs in the US who were extraordinarily careful abou…
That has to be a function of knowing a particular variety of (however reasonably) paranoid LPR's, though, no? I can't imagine it being a core concern for the vast majority of LPRs.
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>I, for one, fled the US to come to Japan for a few weeks because I mostly believed these numbers. SARS-CoV-2 thanks you for your efforts to help it find new populations to replicate in.
The prior 3 weeks I was in a remote area with essentially no contact with anyone. I came back to SF, stayed at home for one night, and left. Also, if I feel endangered, I have every right to decide where to go. You might see it as selfish, I see why. At least I am paying my useless and expensive health insurance in the US (out of my own pocket, because you know what? I'm unemployed right now) to support the system, e…
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
I cofounded a company with Patrick several years ago and have known him for a long time, and in that entire time he has lived full time in Japan. I don't know the particulars of his immigration situation, but if I had to hazard a guess, yes, he's a PR. I don't know anything in particular about his concerns about his own status. I have, on the other hand, known many LPRs in the US who were extraordinarily careful abou…
known many LPRs in the US who were extraordinarily careful about their engagement in public matters out of concern about their status. That has to be a function of knowing a particular variety of (however reasonably) paranoid LPR's, though, no? I can't imagine it being a core concern for the vast majority of LPRs.
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#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
known many LPRs in the US who were extraordinarily careful about their engagement in public matters out of concern about their status. That has to be a function of knowing a particular variety of (however reasonably) paranoid LPR's, though, no? I can't imagine it being a core concern for the vast majority of LPRs.
I assume most LPRs aren't really in a position to have to think about being engaged with public policy, and the LPRs I tend to know work in a field that intersects a bit more with policy.