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Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazon's surging ad sales

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Re: Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazon's surging ad sales

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Basically all of googles products produce significantly worse value for the consumer so that google can squeeze out extra profits. It’s only a matter of time before they start losing market share

I would argue that GSuite, Google Drive, and Gmail (the only things I currently pay Google for) all offer pretty excellent value, even at the free tier (for those which have one).

I use GSuite for work, the interface is slower than Eudora on a 486, it breaks a lot of formatting from Outlook users, and for some reason Docs and Sheets documents are confusingly in different places.

It leaves a lot to be desired, I’m not sure Office could be much worse.

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it's kind of crazy how much of a one-trick pony Google is. If it weren't for search, which admittedly is very successful I don't know what the company would be worth. Amazon's reach, on the other hand, is pretty astonishing. Cloud, Logistics, e-commerce, and even the media business is huge these days.

Google has multiple products apart from search with >1B users (Gdrive, android, photos, maps, youtube).

Which of them is profitable?

Re: Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazon's surging ad sales

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Wow, their UI... insists I lived in a city I used to live in years back. There's no way to even just change my city for one search. (I tried changing my address elsewhere, but it just doesn't pick up the change.)

I still can't use Google Wallet to this date because I haven't been able to update my country since 2010

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Google has always been a fascinating company to me. A lot of my friends still work there and love it and my impression of their internal developer experience is that it’s top notch. This shows me though that despite them being an engineer-first company (or used to be) they really haven’t created another dominant business since ads and consumer gsuite. Basically when I was a new grad I thought if your company had tech…

The engineering-focused mindset is hilariously short-sighted in hindsight. When I was AWS 2012-2013, the sense that the Cloud is going to be huge got more and more evidences from customer feedback. When I joined Google in 2013, the sentiment was that Google can easily beat AWS. But, for all those talks, they have not mentioned any significant understanding on what customers expect from GCP, and why and how GCP can wi…

> PM expertise or connections to build a stronger proposal, but the focus on technical thinking is evident

Were you in a PM capacity there? It's a shame you couldn't find someone else who saw the vision of easier developer tooling being made widely available.

Re: Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazon's surging ad sales

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TIL google has a shopping service. Which is probably part of the problem. I had no idea google even had a shopping service. I don't think i've ever actually clicked the shopping tab before. I vaguely remember when I first noticed it existed, but even when i've been looking specifically to buy something online i've never even thought about using google shopping or even really considered its existence at all until seei…

I must be getting old as a millennial given that I remember the day when it was called “Froogle”.

I remember froogle fondly. it was actually a place you could shop, rather than a directory of advertisements.

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I would argue that GSuite, Google Drive, and Gmail (the only things I currently pay Google for) all offer pretty excellent value, even at the free tier (for those which have one).

I’d pay for Gmail, as all my important personal emails went there. However, I didn’t realize that Gmail was deleting my old emails. If they were more clear that if I didn’t pay, they were going to select, then I’d pay. Now I’m just pissed at Google. If they offered me to pay money to make my deleted emails available, and then lock me into a trivial monthly fee ($10?), I’d jump on it.

Wait what? Is this enterprise where it was deleting old emails?

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I would argue that GSuite, Google Drive, and Gmail (the only things I currently pay Google for) all offer pretty excellent value, even at the free tier (for those which have one).

I used to think that but G Suite hasn't notably improved in years and I don't think everyone bailing to Office 365 / Teams is doing so out of blind loyalty to Microsoft. Google needs to take the user experience seriously — things which aren't a Real Engineer's Favorite Problems™ are often just as important.

Been using G Suite at various companies I’ve worked on for a decade and it’s not improved much at all. Docs, sheets and slides are still limited and the iOS app versions are a joke. All that’s happened is that Gmail gets slower with each redesign. One of the biggest boosts to my productivity was reverting back to the old html only version.

Re: Google drops charges on shopping service to counter Amazon's surging ad sales

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The engineering-focused mindset is hilariously short-sighted in hindsight. When I was AWS 2012-2013, the sense that the Cloud is going to be huge got more and more evidences from customer feedback. When I joined Google in 2013, the sentiment was that Google can easily beat AWS. But, for all those talks, they have not mentioned any significant understanding on what customers expect from GCP, and why and how GCP can wi…

> PM expertise or connections to build a stronger proposal, but the focus on technical thinking is evident Were you in a PM capacity there? It's a shame you couldn't find someone else who saw the vision of easier developer tooling being made widely available.

No, I am a SWE.

I indeed later was reminded by a PM college that I should have been talking to a PM for supportive information.

Now have been working in a small startup for a year. I definitely can see that I was lacking the expertise.

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