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Ask HN: Why do you avoid Telegram, arguably one of the best cloud messengers?
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Re: Ask HN: Why do you avoid Telegram, arguably one of the best cloud messengers?
#2Russia.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you avoid Telegram, arguably one of the best cloud messengers?
#3No end-to-end encryption per default, and if I activate it I’m not able to see the conversation on other devices. Signal does that better.
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#4No end-to-end encryption per default, and if I activate it I’m not able to see the conversation on other devices. Signal does that better.
- end-to-end encryption
- able to see the conversation on other devices
You can choose only one. Otherwise I can't see how it would be end-to-end encrypted. Your devices should create some sort of a group chat to make this work.
Group chats have large enough attack surface and "end-to-end encryption" will create false sense of security.
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#5I use Whatsapp, Messenger and iMessage. Simply because they are convenient and there I can reach ~95% of my friends.
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#6No end-to-end encryption per default, and if I activate it I’m not able to see the conversation on other devices. Signal does that better.
How does end to end encryption make that better?
I am genuinely curious. Is your threat model too severe that you really need to hide your conversations?
Re: Ask HN: Why do you avoid Telegram, arguably one of the best cloud messengers?
#7No end-to-end encryption per default, and if I activate it I’m not able to see the conversation on other devices. Signal does that better.
How does end to end encryption make that better? I am genuinely curious. Is your threat model too severe that you really need to hide your conversations?
I don’t want to discuss the reasons for encrypted communication, sorry. Citizenfour was a good movie though.
Re: Ask HN: Why do you avoid Telegram, arguably one of the best cloud messengers?
#8No end-to-end encryption per default, and if I activate it I’m not able to see the conversation on other devices. Signal does that better.
How does end to end encryption make that better? I am genuinely curious. Is your threat model too severe that you really need to hide your conversations?
Could you please "open source" all your conversations to provide ground for reasoning "I have nothing to hide".
So, and we can discuss threat models.
Thank you.
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#10No end-to-end encryption per default, and if I activate it I’m not able to see the conversation on other devices. Signal does that better.
- end-to-end encryption - able to see the conversation on other devices You can choose only one. Otherwise I can't see how it would be end-to-end encrypted. Your devices should create some sort of a group chat to make this work. Group chats have large enough attack surface and "end-to-end encryption" will create false sense of security.
Other products manage, so it's clearly not a case of "You can choose only one".