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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by megavolcano » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:40 AM UTC

phakding wrote: post #195

megavolcano wrote: post #179

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You answered your own question. When comparing estimated flu deaths to the overinflatted corona reported deaths. Do I really need to be so pedantic? Vaccines existing for the flu is the point, COVID is way less deadly considering we don't_ have a vaccine.

I am sorry, but you read like fox news propoganda. "overinflatted corona reported deaths". Really? any proof to that? Pedantic, you need to be factual and truthful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronav...

"The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive."

I suppose the New York Times is propoganda? I know Donald Trump would agree with that statement...

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by coliveira » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:40 AM UTC

duchenne wrote: post #155

I guess it is easy to dismiss the message from ordinary people, since they do not express themselves as well as the professional speakers we are used to listen to. If instead of saying "I want a haircut.", they would say like Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." would they be taken more seriously? In the movie versio…

When you go out to the streets, you're not putting just yourself in danger. You're transmitting a virus that can kill lots of innocent people, including health care workers, essential workers, senior citizens, etc.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by FpUser » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:41 AM UTC

kyawzazaw wrote: post #183

nopriorarrests wrote: post #135

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>it should be pretty obvious that doing no or late lockdown ends up in situations where there are large numbers of deaths. Even this is debatable. I have no skin in this game and no strong opinion, but let's be honest -- lots of people were expecting total disaster in Sweden since they decided not to implement lockdown, but so far their daily cases chart looks not that different from other nordic countries.

> I have no skin in this game and no strong opinion, but let's be honest -- lots of people were expecting total disaster in Sweden since they decided not to implement lockdown, but so far their daily cases chart looks not that different from other nordic countries. That's because many people in Sweden live alone.

"That's because many people in Sweden live alone." - got a link to a credible study confirming this? It sounds rather like a fantasy to me.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by phakding » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:47 AM UTC

megavolcano wrote: post #201

phakding wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry, but you read like fox news propoganda. "overinflatted corona reported deaths". Really? any proof to that? Pedantic, you need to be factual and truthful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/nyregion/new-york-coronav... "The city has added more than 3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive." I suppose the New York Times is propoganda? I know Donald Trump would agree with that statement...

Ok, NY counted some that they shouldn't have. There's a vast majority of the country other than NYC that is affected by the virus and vast rest of the world too. You decided to nitpick one example and made it sound like a pattern.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by coliveira » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:47 AM UTC

alyx wrote: post #196

czardoz wrote: post #186

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You're talking about this as if a "calculated risk" is limited to that individual, but it's not. Someone's "calculated risk" is literally death knell for others. In this case, the health of the society as a whole is at stake. Therefore, people need to collectively follow rules, and understand that minor inconveniences such as not being able to get a haircut will only affect them for a few weeks or months.

I don’t think you read his post. You are endangering others‘ lives each time you drive. And yet you’re not inline at the DMV surrendering your license, why? Seasonal sickness also isn’t new. My coworker gave me the flu and I gave it to my grandmother. Who’s at fault there?

False equivalence. Car accidents are not transmitting at viral rates. Cars are not infecting other cars even when they are working perfectly well. Seasonal flu is not killing 2% of those infected, and even then we take necessary measures to avoid the common flu.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by jariel » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:48 AM UTC

phakding wrote: post #16

chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

"this is not a grass root movement "

This is a deeply disingenuous statement and essentially false.

a) The protestors at the rallies clearly believe in their cause. You can't delegitimize their opinion.

b) CNN just published a study showing 2/3 worried about opening to early 1/3 worried about not opening soon enough.

That's 100M Americans, out of them it only takes a few to be very concerned.

The snippets from a recent protest of individuals describing how they are going out of business, will lose their livelihoods, homes and going destitute cannot be dismissed.

S. Korea has no lock-down with tracing. Sweden has no lock-down and is going 'kind of ok'.

It's deeply disturbing to see major companies suppress individuals' right to reasonable expression and it's not helpful to diminish their views just because a few idiots in Russia may like it.

The protests are fine, except for all the guns, which is a little spooky.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by AmericanChopper » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:50 AM UTC

slashtom wrote: post #187

AmericanChopper wrote: post #86

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The legal questions of what FB’s rights are to control their platform are irrelevant to a discussion on the merits of how they choose to do it (and I’d suggest aren’t as clear cut as your implying). If you’re isolating, then you also can’t catch coronavirus from somebody attending a protest. If you’re out in public, then you could also be randomly struck by a car (unintentional injuries are the 3rd leading cause of d…

Facebook is a corporation that can make decisions based on what they believe the shareholders would want. To simply throw out their rights to control their platform is anti-civil liberties and anti-democracy as well. If you and others do not want to visit Facebook that's your right and your right to publicize, they do not owe you or me, anything. If it turns out more people agree with you, Facebook will feel it with…

As I said:

> The legal questions of what FB’s rights are to control their platform are irrelevant to a discussion on the merits of how they choose to do it

But nice attempt to derail the conversation.

It’s amazing how quickly this community turns into a bunch of free market libertarians the moment censorship is brought up.

Using your line of reasoning, Verizon is a corporation that can make decisions based on what they believe the shareholders would want.

To simply throw out their rights to control their network is anti-civil liberties and anti-democracy as well.

If you and others do not want to use Verizon that's your right and your right to publicize, they do not owe you or me, anything.

If it turns out more people agree with you, Verizon will feel it with their stock price and most likely make adjustments. To say that they owe the public a neutral-network, is a leap if not a huge jump..

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by downerending » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:51 AM UTC

SerLava wrote: post #173

downerending wrote: post #129

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I don't know about the particular motives of each protester. But it's obvious that there are large numbers of people facing immediate financial ruin. And very shortly thereafter, risk of death for themselves and their loved ones. I'm not in that situation, but I wouldn't be caught dead silencing their voices.

The answer to financial ruin is not to force everyone back into contact again, it's to give normal people their fair share of the bailout. We took something like 15,000 dollars out of everyone's future earnings for the bailout, and threw them back 1,200 of it. With those people taken care of, the protests are reduced to landowners demanding blood for their haircuts and Fuddruckers.

I don't think the protesters are asking for people to be forced back into contact. (though admittedly, restarting will mean pressure on those who'd rather not)

And I seriously doubt any of the protesters are landowners, aside, perhaps from "owning" their houses. ("owning" == mortgages, in most cases)

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by x0x0 » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:53 AM UTC

alyx wrote: post #196

czardoz wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're talking about this as if a "calculated risk" is limited to that individual, but it's not. Someone's "calculated risk" is literally death knell for others. In this case, the health of the society as a whole is at stake. Therefore, people need to collectively follow rules, and understand that minor inconveniences such as not being able to get a haircut will only affect them for a few weeks or months.

I don’t think you read his post. You are endangering others‘ lives each time you drive. And yet you’re not inline at the DMV surrendering your license, why? Seasonal sickness also isn’t new. My coworker gave me the flu and I gave it to my grandmother. Who’s at fault there?

What car driving kills one in twenty 70-year-olds you drive near?

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by FpUser » Tue, Apr 21, 2020, 1:54 AM UTC

kyawzazaw wrote: post #184

djsumdog wrote: post #118

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Sweden has open schools, movie theaters, restaurants (limited people; tables further apart) and bars (can't buy beer). People are working from home when they can. High risk people and older people are told to self isolate. Their hospitals are not overwhelmed. Their people do no wear masks. They hope the infection can spread slowly and they can deal with it. Sweden is criticized heavily, but if their strategy works, t…

We should add the fact that a lot of people in Sweden live alone.

"people in Sweden live alone" you stating this as the cause of why Sweden is doing Ok-ish while not introducing drastic measures. All without any shred of proof.