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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by 0xy »

debaserab2 wrote: post #78
0xy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm fully aware, I'm asking of which specific point needs data to back it up. I assumed the link between poverty and mortality was blindingly obvious. Of course poverty has bad health outcomes, and I've just cited sources in another reply.

I don't think that's the part that's tripping people up. You're kinda just hand-waving over the link between the newly unemployed facing the same conditions that create an increased mortality rate for those in poverty. Not all who are unemployed lack the means to continue living an unimpoverished lifestyle (savings, benefits, depending on a partner, budget reduction, etc) and presumably many of the unemployed will be…

Is your position that people who will be made unemployed as a result of the economic destruction have enough savings and that we are providing enough benefits for them to survive?

59% of Americans could not afford $1,000 in an emergency. [1]

So you're talking about an optimistic runway of $1,000 + a $1,200 one-time benefit payment. The average person will be in poverty within 60 days.

I think you're dramatically overestimating the wealth of the average American.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/41-percent-of-americans-woul...

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by wyager »

phakding wrote: post #16
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

Are you implying that the "other side", insofar as it exists, is a grassroots movement? That seems to be the implication of pointing out that people who want to reopen the economy aren't grassroots.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by [deleted] »

phakding wrote: post #16
chrisco255 wrote: post #3

These are Americans exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and assembly. Whether you agree with the protestors or not is irrelevant. Your rights are impacted, too, by this arbitrary platform bias. This cannot stand for long. We have to move away from centralized monopolies on the web.

You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by vinniejames »

downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

This would be more analogous to Google removing those types of pages from search, which they already do en masse and have for years

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by oldsklgdfth »

Exmoor wrote: post #95
oldsklgdfth wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RFI: I'm interested in learning more about an alternative strategy to the lockdown.

The most plausible one I've heard was to heavily quarantine people at higher risk of dying or having severe complications from COVID-19 while having looser restrictions on people highly unlikely to suffer serious consequences. This would, theoretically, allow the virus to propagate throughout the population and a herd immunity to develop naturally. It's relatively close to what's being done in Sweden, so I guess we'l…

Huh, that sounds reasonable.

I'm guessing you would need to wait for immunization to be developed for restrictions on high risk people are loosened?

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by SerLava »

downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

>I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that.

Wait, are you talking about the people who want to send everyone back to work now, even though we don't even have masks for doctors yet? Are you saying they are trying to minimize death and misery? Or are we talking about completely different people here?

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by KorematsuFred »

Personally this ventures into the same area of "baker refuses cake for gay wedding". Facebook does not want to profit from what they see is a "bad event". But do they have a right to refuse service on such bases ? (Of course there are legal differences such as protected class vs unprotected class. But either ways the moral principle is the same.)

I personally would side with Facebook on this one.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by didibus »

I'm curious what would currently be the statistic for the level of death I cause as a consequence of choosing to socialize? Surely we should have some idea by now?

I just think it be an interesting metric, if I decide to go get a hair cut, did I also just decide for 2 person to die?

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by dimal »

I disagree with all these reopen protests, but I wonder if suppressing them will have the desired effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

This action will "prove" to some people that the tech industry has a liberal bias. I don't know that there's a good counter action to these protests, though.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by SerLava »

oldsklgdfth wrote: post #105
Exmoor wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most plausible one I've heard was to heavily quarantine people at higher risk of dying or having severe complications from COVID-19 while having looser restrictions on people highly unlikely to suffer serious consequences. This would, theoretically, allow the virus to propagate throughout the population and a herd immunity to develop naturally. It's relatively close to what's being done in Sweden, so I guess we'l…

Huh, that sounds reasonable. I'm guessing you would need to wait for immunization to be developed for restrictions on high risk people are loosened?

It's not reasonable.

You can't quarantine vulnerable people completely. If everyone gets it, every bag of groceries is going to be covered in COVID and an enormous number of quarantined people will die.

You can't tell who's going to die from it.

You can't have everyone getting sick at once. The death rate will go up tremendously if nobody can get treatment when they have treatable symptoms. This is what "flattening the curve" means.

We don't have enough protective equipment, medical supplies, hospital beds, healthcare workers, or even morgue space. The only tool left is staying inside, and so that's what we're doing now.

"Herd immunity" uses the word "herd" because we don't normally use it to describe actions taken toward human beings.

Sweden absolutely bungled their response and have 10x the number of deaths from this as compared to their neighbors who shut shit down.

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