Does this not make the case for investing in renewables over shale extraction and fracking that has a price floor below which it's not economical?
Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
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Re: Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
#62Note that this is for the May contract, which closes tomorrow, and anyone left with a contract then will have to actually take delivery of the physical product. Since we are in supercontango (oil storage is full, causing spot prices to be significantly lower than forward prices), I am guessing that traders who are still holding on to contracts and don’t have available storage have to unload contracts pretty quickly.…
Re: Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
#63Re: Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Saudi Arabia is trying to build tourism? From where?
Dubai is definitely a tourist destination for a small number of hyper-wealthy people. The tourists get to be in the part of the bubble that serves alcohol.
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#65Does this not make the case for investing in renewables over shale extraction and fracking that has a price floor below which it's not economical?
Basically everything has a price floor below which it's not economical.
The real risk to oil right now is that the combination of low demand and low prices make it unusually attractive for governments to implement a carbon tax, which would also provide funding for the sort of stimulus they're looking for right now, without having constituents upset over high gas prices. The "carbon tax + dividend" thing does exactly that. And would have a meaningful effect even if it was only done by e.g. US blue states and western Europe (which represent a disproportionate amount of world oil consumption).
In which case the demand for oil would never recover.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nature has figured it out. (I.e.: the simplest way of storing oil is to not extract it.)
Once an oil well is producing the operators can't necessarily just turn it off. If they do cap it that can impair future production.
Great! Let's get started.
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
The gold bars are already in the US, as part of the Nixon-Faisal agreements. That should not be a comfort to the Saud kleptocracy, as the Shah of Iran discovered.
Does the Saudi kleptocracy have any reason to distrust the US klpetocracy? After 9/11/2001 the US was quite loyal in a difficulty time.
Re: Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
#68Does this not make the case for investing in renewables over shale extraction and fracking that has a price floor below which it's not economical?
Re: Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
#69Does this not make the case for investing in renewables over shale extraction and fracking that has a price floor below which it's not economical?
Frankly, we need to get to the next generation of nuclear because renewables will not be enough.
Re: Oil plunges below zero for first time with May contract ending
#70Usually by the time you see commodities activity hitting the front page of HN the bets are in and the market is about to take a wild swing in the other direction. It is very easy to side with the news on oil right now that there is a historical over supply (so much so we have no place to store it any longer, and even considering paying producers to leave it in the ground) and we have a historical drop in demand...so…
In the longer term, the bankruptcies and capex cuts going on every day in the space--a lagging supply constrictor. Should be fuel to propel WTI to 80s when people start flying and driving again.