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Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

mwcampbell wrote: post #82
throwlaplace wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol at the accusatory and indignant tone. 1. apple is a hardware company not a software company. to wit: they do not sell mac os and if they did i might buy it. 2. i don't care a lick about any other features or "stability" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22845629 ). i simply said that i appreciated the workspaces feature. can i buy this feature ala carte? i would gladly. can i pay the devs that built it for t…

I'm with doteka on this. I think techie entitlement is a bigger problem than self-righteousness. As Kyle Mitchell (kemitchell on HN) put it recently in his essay "No Thanks" [1]: > From outside software looking in, “software freedom” walks and talks a lot more like “coder entitlement” or “coder privilege”. In short, a hacker on a tear should never hear the word “no”. Not when breaking into offices to steal parts for…

I read the full essay. I don't think his points are wrong, but I think his conclusion is. It's not that "techies" are entitled, just that most of the world isn't going to understand the benefits "software freedom". That doesn't mean they shouldn't care.

A few months ago, I read Cory Doctorow's short story "Unauthorized Bread"[1]. It's an exceptionally preachy story about a refugee in near-future America, but the point it gets across is this: closed computer systems are a tool for the powerful to control the powerless, and the consequences will be felt by both tech-enthusiasts and technophobes alike.

Personally, what I want is for more people to become adept at using their computers, so they become capable of taking advantage of open platforms, and with it, agency over their lives. That's one reason I was volunteering at Girls Who Code before the Coronavirus shut everything down. I don't necessarily expect all the 10 year olds I work with to grow up to become programmers, but if they're comfortable making quick edits to a python script in order to better accomplish a mundane task, that's a really powerful skill!

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[1] https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-...

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

DelightOne wrote: post #106
tdiggity wrote: post #53

As another data point - Building a hackintosh is so much simpler now than it was 5 years ago. The reddit forum at r/hackintosh is pretty helpful for getting started and has a nice repository of builds. AMD Ryzen CPUs are fairly well supported now. My current system is a 3700x with radeon 5700xt gpu. I use OSX for my daily work, and Windows 10 for gaming. It's a great setup for $1000. My OSX geekbench specs beat out t…

This here says Docker with virtualbox is a thing. https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/eatpwu/docker_c...

Yep, this is also how you run Docker on OS's which predate the addition of HyperVisor.framework.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by read_if_gay_ »

microtonal wrote: post #49
derefr wrote: post #42

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> you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? Er, no, likely more like "I have what hardware I have, and zero money to buy better. I would like to find the way to tune my existing hardware [e.g. by installing different operating systems] to give me the best possible experience that I can without putting any money into it, because I don't have any. When I have money, then I'll actually buy the thing I thin…

It's a shame that they do not have a cheap baseline Mac anymore. When I was in college, I bought my first Mac (2007). I didn't have a lot of money, but I bought a Mac Mini for 499 Euro or thereabouts. It was also relatively cheap to upgrade memory afterwards. I actually bought the Mac Mini because my brother and I were experimenting with Hackintosh. It didn't work on my computer, but it did work (somewhat) on his Del…

The new Mac mini is a decent machine too and while it’s not quite at 500€ it’s still relatively cheap.

I was considering buying that thing but before that decided to see if I could get macOS running on my old desktop, which turned out surprisingly well. Basically everything except sleep and WiFi works.

I’ve now ordered a compatible WiFi card (my dorm doesn’t have ethernet) off AliExpress for 50 dollars. That should be it for a usable Mac workstation. The Hackintosh experiment ended up saving me a few hundred euros.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Teknoman117 »

x3sphere wrote: post #91
terhechte wrote: post #77

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As I'm currently thinking about also going this route I do have some questions, if I may. Could you elaborate what your hardware setup is? Do you have two screens, and two powerful GPUs? Or do you use a HDMI Switch for one screen? Basically, how do you cope with the hardware limitations of GPU Passthrough (I briefly looked into using a single GPU for passthrough, which seems possible but involved rewriting the GPU ro…

One screen, two GPUs. For the screen I've got an LG 38GL950G, and the GPUs are a Radeon WX5100 (macOS) and RTX 2080 Ti (Windows). I run the Linux host (Ubuntu) headless. I have the macOS side connected via HDMI and Windows via DisplayPort. Then I switch inputs when through the monitor's OSD for changing the OS (I think there's a way to do this through DDC/CI commands depending on the monitor, in which case you'd be a…

Does passing through the "boot" gpu work well these days? I remember it not working very well in the past.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

therealmarv wrote: post #104
tdiggity wrote: post #53

As another data point - Building a hackintosh is so much simpler now than it was 5 years ago. The reddit forum at r/hackintosh is pretty helpful for getting started and has a nice repository of builds. AMD Ryzen CPUs are fairly well supported now. My current system is a 3700x with radeon 5700xt gpu. I use OSX for my daily work, and Windows 10 for gaming. It's a great setup for $1000. My OSX geekbench specs beat out t…

ah good to know. So at least never an AMD hackintosh for me. Are this problems completely gone with Intel hackintoshes?

There aren't any inherent problems with Docker, VMWare, Unity games, or Adobe apps on Intel Hackintosh machines, if that's what you mean. Apps just work, and when you do encounter a bug in some app, you can be quite confident it isn't because you're using Hackintosh.

I expect AMD is always going to have some oddities because no AMD CPU has ever been used in a real Mac.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by doteka »

throwlaplace wrote: post #52
doteka wrote: post #39

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So this is a genuinely surprising attitude to me. You appreciate the software features and hardware stability of a platform, yet you do not want the creators to be paid for their work? I mean, it must be obvious that doing these things well apparently costs tons of man-hours and someone needs to be compensated for it? How do you maintain that degree of cognitive dissonance?

lol at the accusatory and indignant tone. 1. apple is a hardware company not a software company. to wit: they do not sell mac os and if they did i might buy it. 2. i don't care a lick about any other features or "stability" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22845629 ). i simply said that i appreciated the workspaces feature. can i buy this feature ala carte? i would gladly. can i pay the devs that built it for t…

You can pay these devs by purchasing one of the machines the software comes bundled with, that’s what pays their salary.

Apple is an integrator, they are not in the business of selling you just commodity hardware. People who buy their products do so in large part because the experience is better than what they would get buying the same hardware from random Chinese OEM 274.

But if you’re on the commodity hardware spiel: I challenge you to match the specs of any laptop Apple sells in a laptop by another manufacturer (and actually match, not replacing NVMe ssds with some random SATA part etc) and come anywhere near 50% or even 70% of the price.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by throwlaplace »

doteka wrote: post #116
throwlaplace wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol at the accusatory and indignant tone. 1. apple is a hardware company not a software company. to wit: they do not sell mac os and if they did i might buy it. 2. i don't care a lick about any other features or "stability" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22845629 ). i simply said that i appreciated the workspaces feature. can i buy this feature ala carte? i would gladly. can i pay the devs that built it for t…

You can pay these devs by purchasing one of the machines the software comes bundled with, that’s what pays their salary. Apple is an integrator, they are not in the business of selling you just commodity hardware. People who buy their products do so in large part because the experience is better than what they would get buying the same hardware from random Chinese OEM 274. But if you’re on the commodity hardware spie…

>not replacing NVMe ssds with some random SATA part etc) and come anywhere near 50% or even 70% of the price.

this has been done over and over again. i'm not going to go through the tedious process just to have you ultimately declare victory anyway when i can't source their superduper proprietary butterfly/centipede/tarantula keyboard or their retina/cornea/myopia display.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by eralps »

hashmymustache wrote: post #62

It's too bad Apple is blocking Nvidia from releasing graphics card drivers for the more recent OSX versions.

I have been a hackintosh user for the last 3-4 years. I was shocked when I had problems with the GTX1060 I bought. I am using High Sierra because of this.

IIRC AMD hardware was the one without support for a long time. It is weird how it changed all of a sudden.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by oneplane »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #7
oneplane wrote: post #3

I wonder if the VT-d disablement is required for the rootkit to work. Ideally you'd have VT-d in macOS for virtual machines, but then again you also don't have Thunderbolt so maybe it's simply not complete enough to enable 'everything'. (and if you really need everything you should probably just buy a Mac anyway)

You actually can have thunderbolt, as long as it’s on the board. There are plenty of intel boards with it and even a couple amd boards now. I expect with the next generation being royalty free it will be much more prevalent.

But if you disable Thunderbolt in the UEFI interface macOS can't re-enable it, can it?

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by therealmarv »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #115
therealmarv wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ah good to know. So at least never an AMD hackintosh for me. Are this problems completely gone with Intel hackintoshes?

There aren't any inherent problems with Docker, VMWare, Unity games, or Adobe apps on Intel Hackintosh machines, if that's what you mean. Apps just work, and when you do encounter a bug in some app, you can be quite confident it isn't because you're using Hackintosh. I expect AMD is always going to have some oddities because no AMD CPU has ever been used in a real Mac.

Thanks for the information. I'm a SW developer but I also do semi-professional photo editing sometimes (so Docker, VMs and Adobe products needs to work for me). Now I know in which direction I need to look for!
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