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Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by x3sphere »

terhechte wrote: post #77
x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

As I'm currently thinking about also going this route I do have some questions, if I may. Could you elaborate what your hardware setup is? Do you have two screens, and two powerful GPUs? Or do you use a HDMI Switch for one screen? Basically, how do you cope with the hardware limitations of GPU Passthrough (I briefly looked into using a single GPU for passthrough, which seems possible but involved rewriting the GPU ro…

One screen, two GPUs. For the screen I've got an LG 38GL950G, and the GPUs are a Radeon WX5100 (macOS) and RTX 2080 Ti (Windows). I run the Linux host (Ubuntu) headless.

I have the macOS side connected via HDMI and Windows via DisplayPort. Then I switch inputs when through the monitor's OSD for changing the OS (I think there's a way to do this through DDC/CI commands depending on the monitor, in which case you'd be able to write a script to do this, haven't looked into that yet). I have a USB switch for moving all device connections to the OS of my choice.

Also the board I have, an X299 Designare, has several USB controllers on their own IOMMU group so you can pass through each to their own VM.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by [deleted] »

x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

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Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

throwlaplace wrote: post #88
mwcampbell wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with doteka on this. I think techie entitlement is a bigger problem than self-righteousness. As Kyle Mitchell (kemitchell on HN) put it recently in his essay "No Thanks" [1]: > From outside software looking in, “software freedom” walks and talks a lot more like “coder entitlement” or “coder privilege”. In short, a hacker on a tear should never hear the word “no”. Not when breaking into offices to steal parts for…

>Do we not realize how entitled and selfish we are? jesus christ what are you talking about. i should feel morally obligated to a corporation? or maybe tim cook himself? this isn't a moral quandary or question and never will be. you people have deeply internalized a relationship to money and corporations that is perverse. like any good business person would say: it's not personal it's business - if they want to preve…

Apple definitely isn't hurting right now.

But my question with piracy is always, where do you dry the line? Is pirating Photoshop okay? What about Affinity Photo? What about Omnigroup, which makes fantastic software, but also has to charge a lot of money for it, and was forced to do a round of layoffs recently?

What if the app is made by a single developer, but you don't like his or her politics? Or what if it's a single developer charging too much? How do you determine what "too much" is, and are you really able to be a fair judge, given that you have a personal financial stake in the outcome?

As a Hackintosh user, I don't have all the answers. I tell myself Hackintosh is okay because I used a real Mac to download the installer, but that's still a moral judgement I'm not able to make impartially. I do try to avoid pirating all forms of digital media, though, even when it means there are products I simply cannot use due to lack of finances.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by zadokshi »

ghostpepper wrote: post #47
microtonal wrote: post #2

This seems to be a more generally useful link? https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Desktop-Guide/ It has links to other parts of the guide in the sidebar.

Introducing something as an unconventional first-in-class piece of software is not very descriptive IMHO. I think this would be better described by the problem it solves, which I am guessing has to do with MacOS refusing to boot on non-Apple UEFI code, which I presume the Hackintosh community has not been able to obtain? Saying it's better than Clover also doesn't help anyone who isn't already familiar with the probl…

Yep, the intro is super weird.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by throwlaplace »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #93
throwlaplace wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Do we not realize how entitled and selfish we are? jesus christ what are you talking about. i should feel morally obligated to a corporation? or maybe tim cook himself? this isn't a moral quandary or question and never will be. you people have deeply internalized a relationship to money and corporations that is perverse. like any good business person would say: it's not personal it's business - if they want to preve…

Apple definitely isn't hurting right now. But my question with piracy is always, where do you dry the line? Is pirating Photoshop okay? What about Affinity Photo? What about Omnigroup, which makes fantastic software, but also has to charge a lot of money for it, and was forced to do a round of layoffs recently? What if the app is made by a single developer, but you don't like his or her politics? Or what if it's a si…

> But my question with piracy is always, where do you dry the line?

this has already been hashed out during the late 90s and early 00s in the context of media piracy: software and media are non-rivalrous goods. me pirating the good does not prevent anyone else from purchasing. it is not a loss to the developer or content creator because i was never going to purchase it in the first place.

> but that's still a moral judgement I'm not able to make impartially

there are zero moral issues implicated here. property is outside of morality.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by unixhero »

x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

What's your hypervisor os?

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

throwlaplace wrote: post #95
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple definitely isn't hurting right now. But my question with piracy is always, where do you dry the line? Is pirating Photoshop okay? What about Affinity Photo? What about Omnigroup, which makes fantastic software, but also has to charge a lot of money for it, and was forced to do a round of layoffs recently? What if the app is made by a single developer, but you don't like his or her politics? Or what if it's a si…

> But my question with piracy is always, where do you dry the line? this has already been hashed out during the late 90s and early 00s in the context of media piracy: software and media are non-rivalrous goods. me pirating the good does not prevent anyone else from purchasing. it is not a loss to the developer or content creator because i was never going to purchase it in the first place. > but that's still a moral j…

> it is not a loss to the developer or content creator because i was never going to purchase it in the first place.

How do you know that you were "never going to purchase it in the first place"? There are lots of products where I initially looked at the price tag, thought "that's ridiculous", and walked away—but eventually came back and bought it, sometimes kicking and screaming.

Again, I don't think I can make a fair judgement about what I "would buy" when I have a financial stake in convincing myself one way. And I don't think anyone else can actually do it either.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by x3sphere »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #89
Hamuko wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds pretty nice actually. Really the only pain that I feel with my Hackintosh is the updates (which is why I'm still on Mojave). However, I'm not really sure if I want to trade in performance since updates are a periodic pain but a performance hit is gonna always be there.

OP didn't specify, but I assume they're using a type-1 hypervisor, likely either KVM or ESXI. If you're also using GPU passthrough, the performance loss is minimal—nothing like your standard Virtualbox VM. Now, whether its actually easier to set up than a bare-metal Hackintosh, I'm not so sure. I tried it last fall, and it took a lot of fiddling to get working. (It also flat-out didn't work for my very specific use c…

Yeah, KVM.

Someone setup a repo here with a starter config: https://github.com/Leoyzen/KVM-Opencore

You'll need to build a bootable disk image with the EFI folder there, but that should mostly work out of the box. Only thing I changed was the serial numbers so iMessage, iCloud etc work properly. I think it would be easier to set up a working Windows install with passthrough first just so you know you have that portion setup properly, and then do macOS.

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by cmurf »

I wonder if OpenCore would enable me to (a) passthrough an i915 GPU but not an AMD GPU; (b) run Catalina on a Mac that doesn't support it?

I have an ancient macbookpro 8,2 with the defect that eventually leads to AMD GPU failure (it failed, was replaced under warranty extension, failed again same number of years later). I use GRUB iowr.mod and outb commands to disable the AMD GPU on boot so it's not even seen by Linux. But when I boot macOS, at some point during the session something enables discrete graphics and I get a kernel panic. I also get a kernel panic when doing any kind of software update (it's now stuck on 10.13.6).

Re: OpenCore: Hackintosh Alternative to Clover

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Post by x3sphere »

unixhero wrote: post #96
x3sphere wrote: post #72

I use OpenCore but have switched my Hackintosh system over to running in a VM (using GPU passthrough). It's easier for me to backup / make changes this way, and there is only a minor performance hit. This is a Geekbench run from my VM (Core i9 10940x with 4 cores passed through): https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/15395105 I have a Windows 10 VM running on a same system too. It may not be suitable if you require vi…

What's your hypervisor os?

Ubuntu 19.10, using KVM+QEMU
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