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Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by buzzdenver »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #4
throwaway6575 wrote: post #2

Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades - if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's longevity though) but you will always remain a top contender.

I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of the best ever, is already losing out to Alireza in bullet, blitz and even almost in classical. Chess theory has a new Renaissance due to neutral networks and we will see newer GM's adapting to it.

Come on, it's not like Kasparov won all the tournaments. Magnus is far from invincible, but currently he's still dominating.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#102

Post by freyir »

jquery wrote: post #58
vpa10 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not how I see it. Carlsen lost one insanely long online bullet match on lichess. He narrowly lost an online banter blitz match. This is not blitz, since also you have to talk while playing, which does not seem to suit Carlsen's personality. In classical, you can often "almost lose", except that Carlsen does not "actually lose", as exemplified by his ongoing record non-loss streak.

People are reading a bit too much into this loss. It is a big deal that someone was able to beat Magnus Carlsen at any time control, especially in this era where Magnus has seemingly reached a new level of chess skill, but bullet is by far the the easiest for a champion to make a mistake or series of them. Magnus is ridiculously strong at bullet but I’ve watched his live-streams and sometimes he blunders really badly…

> "probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2"

He can't be 50-100 points higher than himself. Hikaru is #1.

https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#103

Post by birdyrooster »

searchableguy wrote: post #18

:) I wonder how good a random person from HN will be at chess. Let's figure it out - https://lichess.org/0wzDnVfy update: better than me. lol Created a hn tournament (finished): https://lichess.org/tournament/rWPYf1fK Created a second tournament: https://lichess.org/tournament/Wg6CHtmp

It seems way too easy to cheat at this, I wouldn't trust any of those results.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#104

Post by Leherenn »

antasvara wrote: post #92
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for you the travel to skiing is dominant, but I've known many people (UK acquaintances) who've been injured skiing but none who've been injured on route to go skiing. And that's just leisure skiing, in racing I'd imagine injuries are far more common.

They were responding to the assertion that skiing holds a larger risk of dying than the travel to the ski resort. Statistically, it seems more likely that a person would die in a car accident versus skiing.

"The rate of sustaining an injury while skiing or snowboarding on Swiss slopes was 2.8 per 1000 skier days on average from 2008 to 2010. The fatality rate was 0.7 deaths per one million skier days in the same period of time."

"In cars, one person died per 5.5 million passenger hours traveled."

So skiing seems 4x more dangerous.

Anecdotally, I've read that one hospital in the Swiss Alps was struggling money wise, because the ski season was ended early, and ski accidents were a major revenue for them.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#105

Post by glxxyz »

sambroner wrote: post #64
lgl wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

That is a fascinating look behind the scenes of top flight blitz chess (I knew nothing). A few highlights: * There's a dispute over win vs draw, with a great behind the scenes camera work. * "If he can talk, this is a coffee house!" * They move so fast, they can't keep the pieces on the correct tile!

Also interesting was the actual complaint at https://youtu.be/YPysTEW0YZU?t=608

            To Appeal Commitie to Fide

    during the blitz game with Carlsen when
    I had 2 or 4 second my opponnet speak
    Loudly in his Language and of course if this
    will be allowed then every body can do this
    and of course everybody lose their consentratoin
    and I want to request appeal to check 
    with camera.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#106

Post by birksherty »

yewenjie wrote: post #79

Request: would anybody higher rated than me (my Lichess classical rating is ~1670) be kind enough to mentor me in Chess (for as less as 1 hour in a week)?

Not the answer you wanted but there is an app called Magnus Trainer and some others by the man himself.

https://www.playmagnus.com

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#107

Post by CydeWeys »

gamegoblin wrote: post #99
antasvara wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were responding to the assertion that skiing holds a larger risk of dying than the travel to the ski resort. Statistically, it seems more likely that a person would die in a car accident versus skiing.

According to [1], Skiing is 0.7 micromorts, whereas driving is about 400km per micromort. Therefore, the break-even point is 140km (0.7 * 400 / 2 way trip). If your local ski resort is [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

That's per day of skiing, and a lot of ski trips are more than one day.

This doesn't take individual behavior into account though. A lot of people are skiing more cautiously than the insane risk takers who kill themselves in avalanches or falls in deep woods or backcountry. Also, the driving to the ski resort is likely to be more dangerous than regular driving because you're more likely to encounter icing, snow on the road, and low visibility conditions.

All in my guess would be that the driving is more dangerous for most skiers.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#108

Post by Taek »

freyir wrote: post #102
jquery wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are reading a bit too much into this loss. It is a big deal that someone was able to beat Magnus Carlsen at any time control, especially in this era where Magnus has seemingly reached a new level of chess skill, but bullet is by far the the easiest for a champion to make a mistake or series of them. Magnus is ridiculously strong at bullet but I’ve watched his live-streams and sometimes he blunders really badly…

> "probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2" He can't be 50-100 points higher than himself. Hikaru is #1. https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz

That's blitz. Bullet is a faster time control

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#109

Post by freeflight »

This reminds me very much about a documentary I saw a while back about competitive fighting games [0].

A Pakistani newcomer ended up taking everybody by surprise in a big Tekken 7 tournament trough his unconventional way of playing.

This was apparently the result of Pakistani arcade culture existing in its own isolated underground niche, in which a completely independent meta for playing the game evolved.

International top tier players even traveled to Pakistan to learn and train that style of playing with local players to incorporate elements of it to their own.

[0] https://youtu.be/m-fZciAKvho

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

#110

Post by searchableguy »

birdyrooster wrote: post #103
searchableguy wrote: post #18

:) I wonder how good a random person from HN will be at chess. Let's figure it out - https://lichess.org/0wzDnVfy update: better than me. lol Created a hn tournament (finished): https://lichess.org/tournament/rWPYf1fK Created a second tournament: https://lichess.org/tournament/Wg6CHtmp

It seems way too easy to cheat at this, I wouldn't trust any of those results.

It's not. The site detects cheating and is pretty good at it.
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