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What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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Since January leaks from Chinese health care warned about all of this. Was there internet ban in US I was unaware of? Or a widespread belief in exceptionalism?

Leaks from Chinese... wait, did they leak something to like wikileaks?

I thought it was just official health care, public institutions talking thru public media?

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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why in the fuck was this voted down?? I want a fucking answer. I am sick of this site... Mark my fucking words... I am good at discerning fake news from stuff that shows promise. This is not a 5G tower theory of the disease... this is promising insight that points toward the truth. I am going to link back to this comment and this downvote as the problem with social media. there are too many ignorant stupid self right…

Obviously you can't post like this here. Note that your original comment has since been upvoted. I'm going to put this down to your going on tilt (it happens to almost everyone), but please don't do it again. We all get downvoted. It stings, and it sucks not to necessarily know why, but it happens to everyone and it's the way HN works. Over time, if your comments are consistently getting downvoted, you should reflect…

Ask him why he downvoted me. I'm really curious what guideline he thinks I violated.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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Obviously you can't post like this here. Note that your original comment has since been upvoted. I'm going to put this down to your going on tilt (it happens to almost everyone), but please don't do it again. We all get downvoted. It stings, and it sucks not to necessarily know why, but it happens to everyone and it's the way HN works. Over time, if your comments are consistently getting downvoted, you should reflect…

Ask him why he downvoted me. I'm really curious what guideline he thinks I violated.

Downvotes don't have to be because of guideline violations.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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why in the fuck was this voted down?? I want a fucking answer. I am sick of this site... Mark my fucking words... I am good at discerning fake news from stuff that shows promise. This is not a 5G tower theory of the disease... this is promising insight that points toward the truth. I am going to link back to this comment and this downvote as the problem with social media. there are too many ignorant stupid self right…

Obviously you can't post like this here. Note that your original comment has since been upvoted. I'm going to put this down to your going on tilt (it happens to almost everyone), but please don't do it again. We all get downvoted. It stings, and it sucks not to necessarily know why, but it happens to everyone and it's the way HN works. Over time, if your comments are consistently getting downvoted, you should reflect…

I agree the other cases I know why I got downvoted. This case is less clear.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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Here in suffering Sweden 80% of covid patients in intensive care survive. I read that 80% of NY ICU patients on ventilation dies. Are we perhaps using less mechanical breathing devices here i Sweden? Edit: this didn’t come out right... couldn’t find total icu death rate but have read stories about high mortality in NY.

I'd love to know where you got those statistics. I couldn't find anything on country mortality rates for COVID-19 ICU patients. However, since the US obesity rate is way higher than Sweden, it is surprising that the COVID-19 death rate in the US is around five percent, while it is around ten percent for Sweden. Of course, Sweden has decided not to impose a lockdown, so I have no idea how much that might be overwhelming their hosipitals.

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/04/the-latest-coronavirus...

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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post #145

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Obviously you can't post like this here. Note that your original comment has since been upvoted. I'm going to put this down to your going on tilt (it happens to almost everyone), but please don't do it again. We all get downvoted. It stings, and it sucks not to necessarily know why, but it happens to everyone and it's the way HN works. Over time, if your comments are consistently getting downvoted, you should reflect…

Ask him why he downvoted me. I'm really curious what guideline he thinks I violated.

Hi, I downvoted your post. I think `dang hit the nail on the head in re: why I didn't reply (don't really want to argue since arguing on this topic has occupied more of my recent HN activity than I really like; and I'm busy doing other things).

I certainly don't think your original post violated HN policy by any means, but that isn't the threshold for downvoting on HN as far as I understand.

I downvoted because the material in question isn't inline with how the majority of us are thinking about this disease. It creates a false controversy. To be fair, much of what he's describing is the pathophysiology of diffuse alveolar damage (the correlate of ARDS), but simultaneously he's saying it's not ARDS. Even in this video he seemingly felt compelled to walk back his high altitude pulmonary edema comments from a prior video.

I am not going to be replying further in this thread, but since things got off the rails a bit and my downvote was a part of that, I did want to try to explain my views of the content.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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After watching this video [i] it seems like there's an opportunity here to completely rethink/redesign of the related equipment. I.e. instead of a normal bed, one that allows for a device to temporarily enclose the patient (like a tanning bed) inflate like a blood pressure cuff, rotate/turn the patient, then deflate and be removed for use on the next bed (i.e. the bed and rotating machines are co-operative, but separ…

Rotating beds are already used with intubated patients quite frequently.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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post #153

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Ask him why he downvoted me. I'm really curious what guideline he thinks I violated.

Downvotes don't have to be because of guideline violations.

Well... that is my complaint about hacker news is that people frequently downvoted stories and comments that "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity" and don't violate any other guidelines. And they are never held accountable.

I am not referring to my own history. I often read downvoted comments and sometimes upvote them.

If people could indicate a reason for the downvote, it would probably help the whole situation.

The fact that this guy is a doctor... does not help your case. It makes it worse... if this were another lay person that downvoted cuz they thought it was off-topic, I would be ok with that.... But it sounds like this is another doctor, that disagrees with the doctor I linked to.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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My guess, though I have not downvoted, is because it’s off topic. This isn’t a general coronavirus thread. The discussion is about the article posted. Why not submit that link independently?

@dcow I agree off topic is a possible explanation... however... The link is to one of the sources for the video and the article. I did submit it as a separate link and it's got no traction. My concern is this... there is a lot of fake news... like the 5G tower theory which is absurd. But there are also legit people out there trying to figure out this problem. They are being dumped into the same bucket... by well mean…

Respectfully, I think you’ve described your exact problem. I watched 30 seconds of the video. I wouldn’t call it a wild theory or disinformation. But I also don't find it particularly relevant or insightful. So I don’t think your assumption that this site is full of idiots who are downvoting you to try and stop the spread of _fake_ fake news (god I hate that term) is accurate. You’re simply using a popular thread to try and get visibility which, I’m sure, you believe is warranted because you find the video compelling. However this is not a strategy that’s generally acceptable on HN. You posted the link. People haven't found it interesting enough to upvote on its own merit. HN is not a virus fighting machine. Don’t pretend that posing some under-informed (based on the discussion here) doctor on vimeo talking about his hypothesis would have had any impact on anything had it _just_ been more favorably received... In other words, don't fret it. HN comment threads (social media as you put it) are not going to cure a pandemic.

Re: What doctors on the front lines wish they’d known a month ago

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why in the fuck was this voted down?? I want a fucking answer. I am sick of this site... Mark my fucking words... I am good at discerning fake news from stuff that shows promise. This is not a 5G tower theory of the disease... this is promising insight that points toward the truth. I am going to link back to this comment and this downvote as the problem with social media. there are too many ignorant stupid self right…

Obviously you can't post like this here. Note that your original comment has since been upvoted. I'm going to put this down to your going on tilt (it happens to almost everyone), but please don't do it again. We all get downvoted. It stings, and it sucks not to necessarily know why, but it happens to everyone and it's the way HN works. Over time, if your comments are consistently getting downvoted, you should reflect…

thanks for writing this out. Good bot!
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