X410 – X Server for Windows 10 • Hacker News Board

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:04 PM UTC

pasokan wrote: post #87

int_19h wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They used to sell it for much cheaper - way back when I got it, I'm pretty sure it was under $10. If they raised it that much, surely that's a sign of demand? I have little doubt that it's a polished fork, but what ultimately matters is the value added - in this case, the value is, "it just works". The only thing I had to do manually was to configure DISPLAY=:0 system-wide in my WSL.

Can you please tell me the exact location of the file to configure the system-wide WSL? Would it be the equivalent of /etc/profile?

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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by sp332 » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:10 PM UTC

pasokan wrote: post #87

int_19h wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They used to sell it for much cheaper - way back when I got it, I'm pretty sure it was under $10. If they raised it that much, surely that's a sign of demand? I have little doubt that it's a polished fork, but what ultimately matters is the value added - in this case, the value is, "it just works". The only thing I had to do manually was to configure DISPLAY=:0 system-wide in my WSL.

Can you please tell me the exact location of the file to configure the system-wide WSL? Would it be the equivalent of /etc/profile?

Start WSL, say by opening a terminal window in it. Then in an Explorer window navigate to:

  \\wsl$

Or, in the terminal cd to your homedir and then type "explorer.exe ." including the dot. This will get you specifically to your homedir.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by ken » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

rollingbarreler wrote: post #116

joyfulmantis wrote: post #9

They are asking $50 for something that there are other open source solutions for. It would be interesting to find out how much of the original source code is the developers and how much is just repackaging of one of the multitude of open source X servers for Windows that are currently available. Originally thinking it was another open source project, I looked at the website to see if there were some features that wou…

I don't think there is anything wrong with paying for software. Free software isn't about the price, it's about the liberty,freedom of the software itself.

Is this free software? It looks like this doesn’t give the user freedom, either.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by drewstiff » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

tomxor wrote: post #114

This is getting weird, you pay for windows to use WSL then pay $50 for an X server clone... who wants to try this hard to not use the Linux kernel?

WSL 2 now _does_ use the Linux kernel.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by indymike » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

numpad0 wrote: post #49

otec wrote: post #14

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It's 80% discount for next 16 days in app store apprently

I've never seen it being sold at less than 75% off. "Limited Time Offer" you say, "technically illegal tactic" I read

Could you please explain the illegality?

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by HelloNurse » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:25 PM UTC

rosywoozlechan wrote: post #55

jarfil wrote: post #46

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Have you tried Cygwin's X server? I've been using it for many years already with no problems, and it's free (both as in beer and as in freedom).

That's Cygwin, not WSL. I don't think those two are compatible. I think people want the actual Linux you can get with WSL, not a pseudo-Linux like Cygwin.

Cygwin consists of ordinary Windows programs, WSL2 is a specialized virtual machine: they are partly redundant (for the purpose of offering well-behaved POSIX tools) but perfectly compatible.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by HelloNurse » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:29 PM UTC

drewstiff wrote: post #164

tomxor wrote: post #114

This is getting weird, you pay for windows to use WSL then pay $50 for an X server clone... who wants to try this hard to not use the Linux kernel?

WSL 2 now _does_ use the Linux kernel.

True, and it counts as trying really, really hard.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by aruggirello » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:37 PM UTC

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #132

syockit wrote: post #60

I (and most of my colleagues) stopped using vcxsrv at my workplace since we moved from Qt4 to Qt5. At some point in between, Qt stopped supporting native X11 painting[1] which means all of the graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client. That easily hoses up our network. The problem is more exarcebated now that Japan has declared state of emergency and everyone is urged to work fro…

Same problem. There is now however the "QT_XCB_NATIVE_PAINTING" environment variable which I suggest you try.

Interesting! Would this help with abysmal performance of ssh -X too over the LAN?

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by mjlee » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:40 PM UTC

indymike wrote: post #165

numpad0 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen it being sold at less than 75% off. "Limited Time Offer" you say, "technically illegal tactic" I read

Could you please explain the illegality?

At least in the UK there is some guidance and judgement around discounted prices being related to a price that was actually used in the past.

https://www.asa.org.uk/advice-online/promotional-savings-cla...

I'm not sure how much of it legally enforceable vs adhering to some code of conduct.

Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10

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Post by indymike » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 2:41 PM UTC

skrebbel wrote: post #108

jdellinger wrote: post #41

Does anyone want to share how they use the WSL2 & X-Server combination? In my case, I'm mostly happy with the VSCode WSL2 integration. I keep all my projects on the linux fs and it is fast to work with. The only thing which annoys me is the window management in Windows. Too much Mouse movement and random ALT-TAB-ing. I've never got i3 to work with a Windows x server on multiple displays with high dpi. X401 also only…

I'm curious, I always thought that devs who choose Windows do so because they like the window management and the UI tools etc. That's my reason for sure. What's stopping you from just running proper Linux with VS Code, if you don't like the way the Windows shell works?

Windows shell is a good reason not to use Windows. It's like an early 2000s KDE desktop mixed with a bunch of Gnome and ancient Motif apps. On the command line side, PowerShell isn't half bad, but it still requires you to write C# from time to time to make things work... The biggest four reasons to use something other than Linux (Mac included):

* Adobe software, MS Office, pro audio, pro video, and other income-dependent software tools mostly run on Windows and/or Macs and don't have a Linux version.

* Ease of asset management for the company (yes, it can be done with Linux, but Apple, MS and Google have great tools for managing huge numbers of computers). Google (Chrome) and Apple have a great story on configuration management by having much more consistent hardware.

* Company issued laptop (usually combined with the need for MS Office & corporate asset management)

Oh, and I love VS Code, but it really needs a full org-mode equivalent. It's the only thing that keeps me reaching for Emacs at least once a day.