Toshiba, Seagate shipping slower SMR drives without disclosure, too
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#2So does this happened because the rising adaptation of SSD or it's bound to happen after all for HDD to cutting cost?
Re: Toshiba, Seagate shipping slower SMR drives without disclosure, too
#3So does this happened because the rising adaptation of SSD or it's bound to happen after all for HDD to cutting cost?
It's competition. Every cost cutting tech gets adoption except for boost the main muggle specs like capacity.
On the SSD side we have DRAMless and TLC.
The annoying thing is that unless the government forces disclosure, the honest manufacturers are the ones hurt, having to start advertising "no SMR!" to differentiate, like the organic/health food products in the grocery store that have to list all the poisons they don't have.
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#4So does this happened because the rising adaptation of SSD or it's bound to happen after all for HDD to cutting cost?
It's competition. Every cost cutting tech gets adoption except for boost the main muggle specs like capacity. On the SSD side we have DRAMless and TLC. The annoying thing is that unless the government forces disclosure, the honest manufacturers are the ones hurt, having to start advertising "no SMR!" to differentiate, like the organic/health food products in the grocery store that have to list all the poisons they do…
> On the SSD side we have DRAMless and TLC.
I'm happy to buy a DRAMless + TLC SSD for my boot disk on my web browsing PC (not development), it is a reasonable compromise for a lower price. Same for SMR drives, I won't have problems with them as backup disks.
I think the problem here is SMR drives are sold without disclosure, and it has already created some serious problems in practice.
> What’s worse, they’re shipping DM-SMR drives as “RAID” and “NAS” drives This is causing MAJOR problems – such as the latest iteration of WD REDs (WDx0EFAX replacing WDx0EFRX) being unable to be used for rebuilding RAID[56] or ZFS RAIDZ sets: They rebuiild for a while (1-2 hours), then throw errors and get kicked out of the set.
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#5Is there a trusted hdd manufacturer left? I'd like to not spend several weeks on research when I again get the urge to rebuild the NAS.
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#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's competition. Every cost cutting tech gets adoption except for boost the main muggle specs like capacity. On the SSD side we have DRAMless and TLC. The annoying thing is that unless the government forces disclosure, the honest manufacturers are the ones hurt, having to start advertising "no SMR!" to differentiate, like the organic/health food products in the grocery store that have to list all the poisons they do…
> On the SSD side we have DRAMless and TLC. I'm happy to buy a DRAMless + TLC SSD for my boot disk on my web browsing PC (not development), it is a reasonable compromise for a lower price. Same for SMR drives, I won't have problems with them as backup disks. I think the problem here is SMR drives are sold without disclosure , and it has already created some serious problems in practice. > What’s worse, they’re shippi…
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Re: Toshiba, Seagate shipping slower SMR drives without disclosure, too
#7Can't say I particularly care frankly. I don't see myself buying another spinning plate of rust
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#8Is there a trusted hdd manufacturer left? I'd like to not spend several weeks on research when I again get the urge to rebuild the NAS.
No, this names all three.
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#9Is there a trusted hdd manufacturer left? I'd like to not spend several weeks on research when I again get the urge to rebuild the NAS.
Wikipedia has a great diagram showing the process of hard disk drive manufacturer consolidation that tells a lot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diagram_of_Hard_Disk_Driv...
Now it's a perfect oligopoly: Seagate, WD, and Toshiba, just like the stories from many other industries.
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#10Trying to pass SMR as PMR is kind of pointless since HDD becomes more and more pro and enterprise territory and consumer are shifting away to SSD.
Their customers are increasingly likely to be the kind of people who care about this kind of thing.