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What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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the country should manage its own domain. every country has it own set of rules, and for me as a citizen of country i would not want it to be managed by another country where the thing im doing might be illegal but in my own is not. i agree there are not many reasons to not being able to buy a domain from another country but as is with telephone numbers in alot of countries u have to have some residence in a country…

So much for the idea of the Internet breaking down political boundaries. I know it's been dead for a long time now, but there was a thought in the early days that it didn't matter where you where or who you are on the Internet, everybody has the same access and opportunities.

>So much for the idea of the Internet breaking down political boundaries.

I thought the modern idea is to embrace diversity.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#92

Domains really shouldn't be tied to country of origin. Conceptually, it doesn't make sense to restrict DNS based on geopolitical boundaries. If a foreign company wants to register a .us domain, for instance, nothing should stop it.

> it doesn't make sense to restrict DNS based on geopolitical boundaries. Sure it does because those geopolitical boundries make sense for things like e-commerce. As a Canadian, I know that a site having a .ca domain will definitely ship to my address.

>As a Canadian, I know that a site having a .ca domain will definitely ship to my address.

Unless it's used as a domain hack by someone in another part of the world.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#93

Domains really shouldn't be tied to country of origin. Conceptually, it doesn't make sense to restrict DNS based on geopolitical boundaries. If a foreign company wants to register a .us domain, for instance, nothing should stop it.

If whitehouse.gov let their registration lapse... watch out.

They'll register whitehouse2.gov or therealwhitehouse.gov

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#94

Domains really shouldn't be tied to country of origin. Conceptually, it doesn't make sense to restrict DNS based on geopolitical boundaries. If a foreign company wants to register a .us domain, for instance, nothing should stop it.

I always thought it was odd that .com, .org, and .net were international but .gov, .edu, and .mil was US only.

It was strange when we had a couple global tld and the rest were ccTLDs. Now that anybody with cash can buy a tld from ICANN, it is less strange.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#95
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https://icannwiki.org/.rich There are only 99 registered domains, a few of which are probably owned by the registry itself. At $2,500/yr/domain, they're not exactly making bank. The cost to maintain all of this probably eats into the profit a bit.

I'd be surprised if it even pays for itself. Running a gTLD is not intended to be cheap. $1M pa is the ballpark I've seen quoted. Lots of people had the idea that they'd get a million customers and so even at one dollar per customer they couldn't help but make money, the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out. A handful of general purpose gTLDs work, there's one quite popular in Russia for examp…

> the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out.

I am keeping an eye on decommissioned TLDs - https://twitter.com/fanf/status/1245512707459158020?s=21

Most of them are closed .brand TLDs owned by companies whose business isn’t DNS. The struggling open TLDs seem to be traded and collected by big registries that can get economies of scale, rather than closed, so there is a limited way out. I have seen at least one .brand TLD (.bond for Bond University) converted to an open TLD and sold to a big gTLD registry provider.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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I think the .su TLD shows what happens, i.e. not much https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su

.yu ccTLD shows what else can happen, i.e. domains of ex-countries can be killed off.

And, in the 1990s, .cs for Czechoslovakia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.cs

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#97
post #53

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Bafflingly absurd to suggest a permanent seat at the council could be forfeit over such a matter. These seats are occupied by the victors of the last world war, and will continue to be so until the results of the next one.

While that might be true for US, UK and Russia, I fail to see how China and France won WW2.

Germany had a war goal of occupying europe. France wasn't occupied at the end of the war, therefore france won.

Same applied to japan and china.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#98
post #23

Does the current TLD system even make sense? There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere. Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their…

Then https://www.opennic.org is for you! Welcome friend!

I have no clue how I've never heard of this - this is really cool and there should be more stuff like it. We should not be in a world where 70s era bureaucratic committees liks iana and icann get to define the internet

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

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post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd be surprised if it even pays for itself. Running a gTLD is not intended to be cheap. $1M pa is the ballpark I've seen quoted. Lots of people had the idea that they'd get a million customers and so even at one dollar per customer they couldn't help but make money, the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out. A handful of general purpose gTLDs work, there's one quite popular in Russia for examp…

> the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out. I am keeping an eye on decommissioned TLDs - https://twitter.com/fanf/status/1245512707459158020?s=21 Most of them are closed .brand TLDs owned by companies whose business isn’t DNS. The struggling open TLDs seem to be traded and collected by big registries that can get economies of scale, rather than closed, so there is a limited way out. I have see…

That's good to know, do you have all this in some other form than Tweets?

I can see that having them as Tweets is delicious if you participate because you can just RT them with context but I'm the sort of person who likes big piles of data to contemplate at once.

Re: What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the potential risks of .io

#100
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it's too strategic for the UK to want to give up and there's no mechanism to force it to do, so there's no particular reason to be worried that it will similarly the linked Guardian article makes a fuss about the UK's security council seat, which again, the UK will never give up, and again, there's no mechanism to remove it

More importantly, the whole reason that the UK owns the islands, and the reason it evicted the Chagossians, was because the United States wanted them to . The UK will not lose its place on the UNSC for doing the bidding of the US. The UK likewise will not give up its territory because they would much rather piss off the ICJ than the US. The islands are a UK colony only in name; they are a US colony in reality. I feel…

> The UK will not lose its place on the UNSC for doing the bidding of the US.

Predicated on the US still being involved in the UN though? Which I wouldn't rate as a certainty any more - they were ignoring the fees for years and now there's an active "NIH" Government determined to pull out of every cooperative endeavour...

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