Bought this after seeing the pretty solid reviews here on this thread. I've been using VcXsrv with no problems thus far. But I really like that this project's website has nice documentation. Also, this works with no configuration required (other than the 'DISPLAY' line in the WSL bash config), which is a nice convenience. I hope this product continues to evolve and receives constant updates.
X410 – X Server for Windows 10
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Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
That might change with WSL drastically increasing the demand for such a thing. With enough resources, doing it as an X server is the better approach because it gives more flexibility - top-level windows can be shown directly on the host desktop etc. And with enough demand, there are resources for something like X410... I've used both Xrdp and X410 for my WSL UI needs, and so far X140 has been a much better experience…
Yeah, as if that is anything new versus Cygwin with XWin32 for example.
In terms of sheer number of active users, yeah, I'm fairly sure it is. There's lots and lots of developers who live in the Microsoft bubble, who might have never even heard of Cygwin - but who will hear about WSL from their routine conferences, training etc.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#53I don't fully understand what this is capable of. Can I use this to run a window manager like xmonad? If so, does it work only for linux gui apps run through WSL or also for windows programs?
I really love what WSL has been doing so far and this would really take it to the next level. I'd actually consider switching my private computer to Windows.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't used this Xserver, but I've used most (all?) of the free Xservers for Windows over time. As background Windows is my preferred desktop environment for about the last ten years[1], but I do most of my "real work" on FreeBSD or Linux; having an Xserver on windows means I can do graphical work and have it mostly work. Utilitywise, I can do things like running an image viewer to see what pictures I have in a di…
What benefits do you see from running windows? I really see none as a software dev and os enthusiast. The only reason I kept windows so long was for a game that I stopped playing 2 years ago, and the only reason I have to use it now is because the company I currently work in has made us use it. WSL makes me embarrassed to show my work colleague how good linux/vim/tmux really is (but that might be because the laptop's…
Well, you list one of the benefits of running Windows, you can keep working at your company :p. Many companies don't allow running Linux natively. For example, because Office and Outlook are considered mandatory tools. There is other software, which is only available on Windows or the Mac. Also, it is still not a trivial thing to buy a random laptop and get full hardware support, especially with very new hardware. Not even to mention NVidia...
As a consequence, Mac+VMware is my currently preferred way of running Linux, and Windows+WSL is an increasingly attractive alternative to this.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
They used to sell it for much cheaper - way back when I got it, I'm pretty sure it was under $10. If they raised it that much, surely that's a sign of demand? I have little doubt that it's a polished fork, but what ultimately matters is the value added - in this case, the value is, "it just works". The only thing I had to do manually was to configure DISPLAY=:0 system-wide in my WSL.
Have you tried Cygwin's X server? I've been using it for many years already with no problems, and it's free (both as in beer and as in freedom).
That's Cygwin, not WSL. I don't think those two are compatible. I think people want the actual Linux you can get with WSL, not a pseudo-Linux like Cygwin.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#56I don't fully understand what this is capable of. Can I use this to run a window manager like xmonad? If so, does it work only for linux gui apps run through WSL or also for windows programs? I really love what WSL has been doing so far and this would really take it to the next level. I'd actually consider switching my private computer to Windows.
It runs X on Windows. This was doable before as well.
Unless you can make Windows render windows on the X server, no, you can't use your Linux window manager for Windows programs.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you tried Cygwin's X server? I've been using it for many years already with no problems, and it's free (both as in beer and as in freedom).
That's Cygwin, not WSL. I don't think those two are compatible. I think people want the actual Linux you can get with WSL, not a pseudo-Linux like Cygwin.
It doesn't matter what X server you are running. It is a server, you can send data to it, and it will render the windows. In this case you tell WSL to use X server on Windows and it will work.
I think I used Xming for this purpose before.
You can also render windows on other computers if network is open and access is provided.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#58windows on linux or linux on windows...WHO will WIN?
Is there even a doubt? Windows has a chance at supporting the open, documented interfaces of Linux. Linux has no chance at supported the closed, undocumented interfaces of Linux.
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't used this Xserver, but I've used most (all?) of the free Xservers for Windows over time. As background Windows is my preferred desktop environment for about the last ten years[1], but I do most of my "real work" on FreeBSD or Linux; having an Xserver on windows means I can do graphical work and have it mostly work. Utilitywise, I can do things like running an image viewer to see what pictures I have in a di…
What benefits do you see from running windows? I really see none as a software dev and os enthusiast. The only reason I kept windows so long was for a game that I stopped playing 2 years ago, and the only reason I have to use it now is because the company I currently work in has made us use it. WSL makes me embarrassed to show my work colleague how good linux/vim/tmux really is (but that might be because the laptop's…
It's always bemuses me to see some Linux developers talk like there is literally no other option, and that all 'real' development is done on Linux.
Meanwhile, in the Real World(tm), something like 80% of all software is developed for Windows or other non-Linux operating systems.
Linux is just the most popular, at the moment, with a small subset of developers in a certain age-range. Mostly web-developers working outside of the enterprise environments, such as startups. These are people that think MySQL is a real database, PHP is a proper programming language, and Bash is the only shell.
I have the same reaction when I see some documentation with instructions on "how to set up Kerberos support" that doesn't even mention Active Directory. It's as if the authors came from some alternate reality, a parallel Earth where Windows Server isn't quite literally 99.9% of all deployed Kerberos authentication systems.
I'm a consultant that gets to visit many different types of organisations, big and small, many with on-site or outsourced development teams. Almost all of them use Windows, develop in C#, VB, or Java and deploy on IIS or various Java platforms, but still on Windows. There are a handful that use the LAMP stack or WordPress, but these are few and far between.
Try Visual Studio and C#, focusing on its strengths like the "async" keyword. Try writing a little web app using the latest .NET Core and MS SQL Server 2019. Try adding some ColumnStore indexes on your data and point PowerBI at it. The performance will blow your mind.
PS: All of the above are free, and/or free for developers:
https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/
https://dotnet.microsoft.com/download/dotnet-core
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/sql-server-downlo...
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/ssms/download-sql-serve...
Re: X410 – X Server for Windows 10
#60I (and most of my colleagues) stopped using vcxsrv at my workplace since we moved from Qt4 to Qt5. At some point in between, Qt stopped supporting native X11 painting[1] which means all of the graphics are now drawn as bitmap at server side and sent in whole to the client. That easily hoses up our network. The problem is more exarcebated now that Japan has declared state of emergency and everyone is urged to work from home. We now resort to using VNC solutions. (I wish we had developed a curses client along with the GUI for times like this)