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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Post by Vinnl »

bitcurious wrote: post #422
Vinnl wrote: post #300

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I'm not too familiar with CARES, but I think the difference is that that is a one-time loan, whereas I think the Dutch government is taking up 90% of the salary costs every month, for a period of at most three months (so adding up to 270%), and is a gift, not a loan. That said, my overall point was that different measures can lead to different results - not that specific measures were different.

The CARES Act “loan” is structured as a loan in order to (a) enforce the use of funds for payroll expenses, and (b) use existing banking infrastructure. IIRC if you keep 80% of staff, the loan is forgiven. That said, the PPP ran out of funds today, so not all businesses are getting saved.

Ah right, then that specific measure sounds rather similar (except for the running out, maybe).

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Post by Vinnl »

pkaye wrote: post #456
Vinnl wrote: post #135

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One reason that it's could be less bad is due to government measures - e.g. in the Netherlands, employers can apply for the government to pay 90% of your salary for a while while they pay the other 10%, so that they can keep employing you until (hopefully) after things start up again. No idea how that compares to other companies, but if it differs, that's one possible explanation for different results.

In there an income cap on the 90% of salary?

I'm not an expert on the measure, but the Wikipedia page on it [1] doesn't mention anything like that. It does say that the compensation depends on how much of an organisation's income has been lost, and that it (obviously) only applies as long as the employee is not fired.

[1] https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijdelijke_noodmaatregel_overb...

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Post by ciceryadam »

wlll wrote: post #42
sbt wrote: post #26

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How would you characterize the quality of CircleCI? I've spent quite a few hours trying to work out mysterious bugs in a build process that runs fine locally. This morning the web ui was full of 'client error' messages.

As an end user I've been pretty happy with it. I've used Jenkins, Travis, Github and Circle mostly, and of those I hope to never have to use Travis or Jenkins again, and I've only really used Github for some simple stuff, but rather enjoyed the experience. Circle however I've used with some fairly lengthy and complex build processes involving multiple parallel builds of Rails apps during upgrades and it's handled the…

Have you tried Teamcity? https://www.jetbrains.com/teamcity/

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Post by gadders »

snowwrestler wrote: post #397
gadders wrote: post #242

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I wonder what Pud is up to now. Didn't he use to post on here?

He started and is running DistroKid, which is probably the most popular way for independent music artists to get their music into digital stores and streaming services.

Ah, yes. I remember now.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Post by wlll »

ciceryadam wrote: post #563
wlll wrote: post #42

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As an end user I've been pretty happy with it. I've used Jenkins, Travis, Github and Circle mostly, and of those I hope to never have to use Travis or Jenkins again, and I've only really used Github for some simple stuff, but rather enjoyed the experience. Circle however I've used with some fairly lengthy and complex build processes involving multiple parallel builds of Rails apps during upgrades and it's handled the…

Have you tried Teamcity? https://www.jetbrains.com/teamcity/

No, not yet.

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Post by rabidonrails »

esel2k wrote: post #345
rk06 wrote: post #317

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That's a false statement. My sister is a doctor. She told me that she is getting less patients, as only those are very serious, are coming. Plus transport system is down, so only ambulance can be used for transporting patients to and from hospital. So this puts a limit to hospital's income source.

But what about telehealth?

you don't need to go to _your_ doctor for a telehealth appointment. Many insurers are recommending particular telehealth solutions that they have contracted with which means that the normal doctor you _would_ have gone to see is seeing less people.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Post by tomhoward »

mnw21cam wrote: post #138
bsanr2 wrote: post #39

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Statistically-speaking, this will disproportionately effect women and minorities (low performance reviews !necessarily= low performance when implicit bias is present, which again, statistically-speaking, it is). Certainly these times suck for everyone, but there go the careers of black, brown, and female millennials with yet another black mark on their CVs before they've hit their 40s.

I seriously doubt whether this will disproportionately effect women and minorities. Certainly not women, as it is pretty hard to change the male/female birth ratio. It might affect them though.

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.

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Post by fennecfoxen »

shubb wrote: post #303
YawningAngel wrote: post #250

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You don't get government unemployment benefits in the UK if you have >16k in savings (i.e. most programmers, presumably)

London developers do not get paid well vs cost of living. I interviewed for a city based senior data engineer role at a large insurer and was supprised that they choked at 45K basic not much package. Generally uk dev pay is very bad compared to US or even other Europe. Contract work used to be basically the only way to make good money but this has now been nobbled. Not a good city to work in. As a result permie devel…

I was able to get Senior at £74k in London. Nothing to sneeze at in principle, save for the London cost of living.

Moved to New York following Brexit, now making literally twice that. (Paying twice that for housing, too, but my housing is more like 15 minutes from work instead of 60 and I have a real subway option instead of putting up with Southern Rail and the strikes.)

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Post by sudosysgen »

opo wrote: post #549
sudosysgen wrote: post #535

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Sure, but in all of those countries health care insurers are incredibly tightly controlled and the state is still by far the biggest insurer. Which is why the state can and will fund hospitals directly after this crisis.

>Sure, but in all of those countries health care insurers are incredibly tightly controlled... Insurance companies in the US are also "incredibly tightly controlled". Regulations even specify amounts that can be spent on patient care, administration etc. Health insurers are the only segment of the health care sector in the US where profits are directly limited. >Which is why the state can and will fund hospitals dire…

It does have a lot to do with it, as it directly nullifies the issue the OP was talking about.

When I mean incredibly tightly controlled, I mean effectively price controls, and very stringent ones at that, and all of them have the state as the main insurer anyways, while AFAIK the US does not insure anyone directly.

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