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Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by dwd »

They present this as a conspiracy, but whether it escaped from the lab is a bit of a whatever in comparison to the coverup and the damage of suppressing the initial epidemic and playing it down after they were found out.

No one is really saying it was intentional; and while risky, the research into coronavirii that could trigger a future pandemic was valuable. But it was a screw-up; someone made a mistake or took a shortcut and here we are.

China is going to be under pressure regardless to either open up that research facility, or shut it down so it doesn't happen again there, or anywhere else in the world.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by secretsatan »

nicolas_t wrote: post #3

Haven't read much yet. But the first point already doesn't inspire much confidence. "This market is less than 9 miles away from The Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences". 9 miles away means that it's at the opposite of the city. I mean, that text is trying to make it seem like they are close to each other when actually it just means that both are in the same city. 9 miles is not a small distance i…

I don't have much faith in crowd sourced investigations based on data only available on the internet and analysed by armchair experts

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by Allezxandre »

nicolas_t wrote: post #3

Haven't read much yet. But the first point already doesn't inspire much confidence. "This market is less than 9 miles away from The Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences". 9 miles away means that it's at the opposite of the city. I mean, that text is trying to make it seem like they are close to each other when actually it just means that both are in the same city. 9 miles is not a small distance i…

It might be my fault as I linked to the conclusion, but you are reducing the whole article to a part of the 9 miles distance argument

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

dwd wrote: post #11

They present this as a conspiracy, but whether it escaped from the lab is a bit of a whatever in comparison to the coverup and the damage of suppressing the initial epidemic and playing it down after they were found out. No one is really saying it was intentional; and while risky, the research into coronavirii that could trigger a future pandemic was valuable. But it was a screw-up; someone made a mistake or took a s…

> whether it escaped from the lab is a bit of a whatever

It's actually a big difference:

It's the scenario of accepting a statiscal misfortune from mother nature versus the scenario of a lack of duty-of-care from a public institution, closely followed by having to pay reparations to a very long list of countries.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by krageon »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #7
sk0g wrote: post #2

Writing standards for conspiracy theories are on the rise, huh? Didn't read all of it, but I'm not sure what a GPG key is doing there.

I am sure it was not your intention but dismissing (what appears to be) factual information with references, as a conspiracy, is a common strategy of autocratic states when dealing with information that generates a lot of difficult questions. Is there a particular part of the text that you found innacurate? The key is probably to allow for people to share encrypted data with the author/contributor? Although to me it…

Maybe it's just the fact that this theory perfectly aligns with the current west-based propaganda effort that seeks to demonise China? Dismissing information as a conspiracy is a common strategy of autocratic states, as is seeding the internet with lies that align with their own interests.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by krageon »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #9
downshun wrote: post #4

Evidence is of two types: circumstantial or direct. This thing only has the first, and doesn't try looking for evidence of the contrary. At least they acknowledge this inconclusiveness at the end.

I would argue the same exercise could be made against the 'wet market theory', no? What direct evidence do we have for the 'wet market' theory that is currently most widely accepted? Looking from a distance, it appears that the volume of circunstancial evidence for this 'laboratory accident/negligence' theory is far larger.

Circumstantial evidence is what you use to support a theory you really want to be true but cannot prove. Direct evidence is what you use when you want to actually figure out what happened.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by Allezxandre »

1hakr wrote: post #8

While I was building the my covid 19 tracker https://visalist.io/emergency/coronavirus , I stumbled upon this and was taken aback. These are some hard hitting evidence. What does it mean, what repercussions this can have on the World? So china has finally won the world war 3?

The article states that while the virus could have escaped from a lab, there is no evidence this was intentional.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

krageon wrote: post #15
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sure it was not your intention but dismissing (what appears to be) factual information with references, as a conspiracy, is a common strategy of autocratic states when dealing with information that generates a lot of difficult questions. Is there a particular part of the text that you found innacurate? The key is probably to allow for people to share encrypted data with the author/contributor? Although to me it…

Maybe it's just the fact that this theory perfectly aligns with the current west-based propaganda effort that seeks to demonise China? Dismissing information as a conspiracy is a common strategy of autocratic states, as is seeding the internet with lies that align with their own interests.

An extremely good point, we are all at risk of being vehicles of information wars.

However, information spinners still need to spread info based on reality or partial truth in order to be effective in their spinning.

To me the current volume of evidence for a 'lab accident/negligence' theory versus the volume of evidence for a 'wet market' theory sticks out like a sore thumb even if we account for information war effects.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by aaron695 »

The alternative to me will be a rural farmer caught the disease through extensive farming. Contamination from a wild animal, directly or through livestock.

It then kicked around for months in a rural location, a lower R perhaps, with better weather conditions and less networked people. People died and family's moved on.

Until someone on a trip to the city passed it on.

Perhaps selling at the markets or perhaps to family there who then took it to the market through work or just shopping.

I would not write off the Lab theory, it's better than bats at a market, but there are other logical theories as well.

Re: Evidence SARS-CoV-2 Emerged from a Biological Laboratory in Wuhan, China

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Post by rcnewrefcellnew »

Allezxandre wrote: post #17
1hakr wrote: post #8

While I was building the my covid 19 tracker https://visalist.io/emergency/coronavirus , I stumbled upon this and was taken aback. These are some hard hitting evidence. What does it mean, what repercussions this can have on the World? So china has finally won the world war 3?

The article states that while the virus could have escaped from a lab, there is no evidence this was intentional.

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