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It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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JEDI aside, I feel like Azure has grown in leaps and bounds... meanwhile AWS has rested on its laurels because they were the first major cloud and so many people adopted them early and either are stuck or in denial about where Azure is at. Even Microsoft shops that would benefit from tighter integrations and quicker feature releases seem to only really consider Azure an afterthought and will use GCP for specialty cas…

I will buy SQL Server specifically, but if you are using MySQL or Postgres then AWS is still the clear winner in my book. RDS is great and Aurora is even better, and serverless...wow. Both Azure's and GCP's managed database offerings don't match up if using MySQL or Postgres.

How does RDS Postgres beat GCP hosted Postgres? Genuinely curious as we're running on GCP and I'm wondering what we're missing out on.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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Azure is less friendly as a technology practitioner (compared to working with AWS), but I fully appreciate the value you describe. Does AWS have Active Directory as a first class citizen? Office 365? Outlook/Exchange? No.

AWS does offer AD as a first class citizen... More than Azure. AzureAD is not Active Directory, and unless something has changed a lot in the last year (maybe it has?), Azure does not offer anything that looks, smells, and feels like on-prem AD in the cloud.

Azure Active Directory Domain Services is full-fat AD, but they market it towards only using it for services in Azure. But you can set up a VPN from Azure to join on-prem stuff (or to replicate existing AD to Azure).

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory-doma...

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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oh, ^please^... not "every dominant giant company ever" has been found by U.S. federal court to have engaged in monopolistic / anti-competitive behavior. legality aside, that's to say nothing of all their no-walter-its-not-illegal-youre-just-an-asshole shenanigans contemporaneous with, and preceding, the lawsuit. playing dumb and conflating what Microsoft did with "every dominant giant company ever" only serves to wh…

What Microsoft did with Internet Explorer maybe looked dirty back in the day but ironically enough United States v. Microsoft Corp. suit started in 1998, the same year when Google was founded and quickly after conquered the internet with its search engine and internet browser. Innovations will always displace dominant products and the cycle goes on and on.

There’s a strong argument to be made that putting MS on the defensive about antitrust in the late 90’s is the reason so many other dominant tech companies were able to get a foothold in the 5-10 years following.

Which also points to why we are in today’s predicament, having abandoned antitrust entirely.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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This is SOP for a contract like this. I worked in this field for over a decade before I went back to straight consulting. Helping or ever writing a RFP / RFI / proposal for a customer is not unheard of. I was given the opportunity to provide input on more than one occasion and would certainly include requirements I knew competitors could not functionally meet, in esence eliminating all other competitors. They could respond but when the technical team members meet with project sponsors and there is a big red square on the scorecard in the competitors column indicating they can't meet a requirement what is a SVP going to say? 'We don't need that'? They aren't technical and even if they ask about it we clearly have internal support for our product and can count on the technical team explaining why our feature is a requirement. (We just so happen to have the best product so this wasn't much of stretch.) The only difference between the private sector and gov is we can't take them out to a $3000 dinner to discuss the requirements before they submit them. As you can tell, this is a "bit" sleazy, while still mostly truthful we are clearly trying to influence the outcome in our favor.

Having worked with the OIG (office inspector general), more than one of them, they are as much a political animal as any other office in DC, more so in lots of ways, so getting a report from them that says what you want is just a matter of phone calls and dinners with the right ppl.

AWS got played, plain and simple. They thought they were going to win and probably didn't do as mush as they should have to make sure they could win, and at the same time underestimated Microsoft. Just bc Azure was new to the DOD doesn't mean its new to the feds, I worked on several projects in AZ with the feds, and MSFT is not new to DC, they have been playing in DC politics for decades, and doing so very successfully. Which I am guessing from my outside view was AWS / Jeff's mistake. Buying a mansion and hosting partys in DC and a amateur move. There are a lot of very powerful ppl in DC that are former MSFT employees. It is very common practice to move from MSFT's fed teams to a fairly high position in a fed agency for your 20 years to get you retirement plan completed.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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oh, ^please^... not "every dominant giant company ever" has been found by U.S. federal court to have engaged in monopolistic / anti-competitive behavior. legality aside, that's to say nothing of all their no-walter-its-not-illegal-youre-just-an-asshole shenanigans contemporaneous with, and preceding, the lawsuit. playing dumb and conflating what Microsoft did with "every dominant giant company ever" only serves to wh…

What Microsoft did with Internet Explorer maybe looked dirty back in the day but ironically enough United States v. Microsoft Corp. suit started in 1998, the same year when Google was founded and quickly after conquered the internet with its search engine and internet browser. Innovations will always displace dominant products and the cycle goes on and on.

> founded and quickly after conquered the internet with its search engine and internet browser

Google didn't release the first version of Chrome until 2008, 10 years later.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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How is Bezos buying a big house an investment in the city? Come on.

seriously? inviting politicians and lobbyists to parties on your own dime?

Seems it's less a 'party' and more a networking event where I'm sure your competitors are not invited. Also less 'your own dime' and more a business expense that helps Bezos skirt even more taxes. I can't see it as an investment in the city.

Maybe if he bought and renovated an apartment building. Held events in a top floor space. Transformed the lobby into a community business and tech center.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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Here's an interview with him here about it [1] It seems he had a mix of reasons, he says. No doubt now that it's a functioning entity he has an added bonus. I remember at the time though most people thought he was throwing good money after bad. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniedenning/2018/09/19/why...

The reasons he gives for buying it don't tell us anything. His net worth is in the 12 figures. Everything he says publicly is crafted by a well paid and highly competent PR team. If he bought it to gain political influence, which seems to me the only reason that makes any sense whatsoever, or for any other reason that would put him in a bad light, he would not in a million years come out and say that openly.

No idea why you're getting downvoted. This is the guy who refuses to pay his shareholders a dividend, or his employees more than he absolutely has to. He didn't buy a newspaper because he loves giving money away on good causes.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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AWS does offer AD as a first class citizen... More than Azure. AzureAD is not Active Directory, and unless something has changed a lot in the last year (maybe it has?), Azure does not offer anything that looks, smells, and feels like on-prem AD in the cloud.

Azure Active Directory Domain Services is full-fat AD, but they market it towards only using it for services in Azure. But you can set up a VPN from Azure to join on-prem stuff (or to replicate existing AD to Azure). https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/active-directory-doma...

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Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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DoD officials are barred from answering questions about White House influence on the decision owing to its assertion of "presidential communications privilege"[1]. This is, quite simply, a confession. Nothing is solved by believing that the administration is somehow different than the dozen or so near identical leaders in other countries: that somehow this one uniquely is not pressuring companies hostile to it (in sp…

> Nothing is solved by believing that the administration is somehow different than the dozen or so near identical leaders in other countries:

Perhaps true, and relevant how, when talking about American companies bidding for work for the American govt?

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