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Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free

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Re: Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free

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Post by capkutay »

sharemywin wrote: post #217
btilly wrote: post #27

This figure does not surprise me. It is in line with Iceland finding that 50% of people they tested were asymptomatic. However as https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-need-to-understan... notes, in other samples about 75% of people who were asymptomatic at the time of the test went on to develop symptoms. So the fact that these sailors are currently asymptomatic does not mean that they will remain so. See https…

Not to mention. There's a giant filter called basic training which going to skew the numbers. you have a bunch of kids running around in the best shape of there lives and hey what do you know they handle the virus better than average.

What about pregnant women? They're known to be more vulnerable to certain types of illnesses (especially viral infections), yet 29 out of 33 pregnant women who tested positive of COVID-19 in NY were still asymptomatic:

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85965

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Post by TylerE »

easytiger wrote: post #254
jeremyjh wrote: post #234

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This is so tiresome. Someone has cancer for six months, gets COVID and dies 17 days later and now Tucker Carlson is here telling me not to count that death. How often do you really think it happens that someone is hospitalized with COVID (otherwise, they'd not even be getting tested most places in the world) and dies of something else a week later? I'm sure it has happened a few times, but what has also been happenin…

> and the motivations for it are absolutely disgusting. What are those?

Desperation to reopen and juice corporate profits/wall street

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Post by grandmczeb »

vkou wrote: post #161
grandmczeb wrote: post #150

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If there’s a lot of uncounted asymptotic cases the IFR is correspondingly lower.

Only 25% of the positive-cases on the Diamond princess turned out to be asymptomatic after 4 weeks. The much-higher, 50% numbers that were being thrown around were obviously overestimated - precisely because it takes a week or two or three for some people to start showing symptoms. As such, it's incredibly unlikely that the # of real cases is some large multiplier of the number of confirmed cases in any areas that ar…

> Only 25% of the positive-cases on the Diamond princess turned out to be asymptomatic after 4 weeks.

Are you referring to [1]? As far as I know that's the only follow up, but your summary doesn't match their results.

[1] https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.E...

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Post by bmsran »

Muuuchem wrote: post #266
bmsran wrote: post #250

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yes: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/mutations-can-reveal...

Just read it and they were not disputing the existence of two strains but rather that the virus didnt jump from animals twice. The article disputes the claim that because L strain is 70% of the cases, that it must be more virulent.

the distinction is important here because this subthread started from the suggestion that there are multiple strains circulating, with different virulence. The fact there are multiple lineages is a natural consequence of how viruses spread

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Post by enkid »

capkutay wrote: post #271
sharemywin wrote: post #217

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Not to mention. There's a giant filter called basic training which going to skew the numbers. you have a bunch of kids running around in the best shape of there lives and hey what do you know they handle the virus better than average.

What about pregnant women? They're known to be more vulnerable to certain types of illnesses (especially viral infections), yet 29 out of 33 pregnant women who tested positive of COVID-19 in NY were still asymptomatic: https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/85965

Pregnant women are going to be younger on average, and this affects older people the most. Also, same thing as the comment above says, just because they dont have symptoms now does not mean they will never have symptoms.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

nradov wrote: post #255
ngcc_hk wrote: post #252

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It could be an information problem. Is the medical system even allow 2 causes of death. Underlying condition and ...

Most death report forms have fields for a primary cause and contributing causes.

For influenza, the CDC includes deaths by pneumonia during flu season as part of the official death count because the certificates don't reliably list the true cause of death.

We see this happening now in the US with unofficial deaths getting lumped into the C19 deaths, some of which may very well have been flu.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

couchand wrote: post #220
bhouston wrote: post #104

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We need widespread antigen testing in a place like Italy or NYC or Sweden. Would be so informative.

Is there really widespread antigen testing in NYC? I certainly have not heard about it here in Brooklyn.

Only recovered plasma donation volunteers are being tested.

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Post by weeksie »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #47
coherentpony wrote: post #41

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Are you of the opinion that this is simply just a slightly worse flu? > All the data points to the fact that coronavirus is more widespread and less deadly than most outlets are reporting You couldn't be more wrong. There are nurses and doctors working on the front lines dealing with patients, and they're completely and utterly overloaded. Lack of resources. Lack of help from local and federal governments. They're th…

> Are you of the opinion that this is simply just a slightly worse flu? I mean I'm about 95% sure I already had it. Had literally every single symptom but the local health authority (Alberta, Canada) wouldn't test me. My SO had it worse but again, they wouldn't test her. Felt like a worse flu + more coughing and shortness of breath. Worse fever. My symptoms were bad for about 3 days, then felt like a cold for about a…

How would more asymptomatic cases make this an overblown situation? Sure, there's evidence that there are lots of unreported cases but there's also quite incontrovertible evidence of death spikes in places that didn't implement swift restrictions.

I get being frustrated at lockdown but your reasoning sounds motivated to me.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

serf wrote: post #239
JshWright wrote: post #233

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That would be a very obvious thing to detect (and we have not seen evidence of that).

evidence of what? two separate strains? this paper mentions two strains[0], 'L' and 'S' type, was it refuted? [0]: https://academic.oup.com/nsr/article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036...

There's probably hundreds or even thousands of mutations of this coronavirus. It's kinda what it does. But they're basically meaningless, although it is useful for tracking how it spreads - kinda like a family tree.

See: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

There is pretty much no evidence of what common people would call "multiple strains" - as in, immunity doesn't transfer, different infection characteristics, etc.

The paper you posted was debunked pretty much instantly by people that know what they're talking about. There's a lot of junk papers out there written by people on coronavirus that aren't even in the field.

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Post by chasebank »

asdf21 wrote: post #204

I'm calling it now, I bet many people (>20%) have had it, whether they realize it or not. To be honest, I think it was all over the Bay Area in late December, Early January (when I'm pretty sure I had it) and Feb.

I thought the same thing until this afternoon.

In January I fell extremely ill, covid symptoms, including lower right lung pneumonia.

Today I tested negative for covid and antibodies. It seems to have been just a coincidence with a bad viral season.

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