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It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you give a correct and complete answer The article asserts no answer; that they were forbidden to answer those questions. Written or otherwise.

>barred from answering questions on the subject during interviews

There's such a thing as a written interview.

There's no indication they answered the questions in a written form; it appears quite clear the White House asserted privilege, which would apply to any form of questioning.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The evidence we received" is fairly meaningless when coupled with "we weren't allowed to obtain the evidence we wanted ".

I've lived through an IG investigation. You generally only want to respond in writing so you give a correct and complete answer instead of misspeaking and having it used against you, your project, or agency later on. It doesn't hold the legal consequences of screwing up an FBI interview but can be devastating professionally.

But they were interviewed.

So unless you can show that the questions they were barred from answering on the subject during their interviews were, in fact, responded to in writing later (which I haven't heard of happening)... then the distinction you're drawing doesn't seem to be relevant here, right?

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

#63

My take on this whole thing, is the Amazon basically wrote the entire scope...so they just thought they were going to win because only they would meet it (this was a bit of a scandal just a few months back.) They bid high, and then they lost. Now they are mad that their lobbying wasn't a 100% success, so they are suing. It's all so very Amazon.

Amazon has put a LOT of money into DC. From setting up an HQ2 in DC to Bezos personally purchasing the largest mansion in the city to host event for political power brokers. It should be no surprise that he's pissed that that amount of investment isn't starting to pay dividends.

You are mixing up "DC the actual city" and "DC as a synonym for politics".

DoD couldn't care less about Bezos' mansion or HQ2's impact on the city's economy.

And running a newspaper that continuously annoys a President doesn't really fit the apparently popular idea that Bezos is spending money to get favourable treatment from politicians.

Especially when that politician you're annoying is known to have a somewhat vindictive streak and doesn't quite grok the difference between being entrusted money and power to use on behalf of a country and owning money and spending it in his own interest

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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DoD officials are barred from answering questions about White House influence on the decision owing to its assertion of "presidential communications privilege"[1]. This is, quite simply, a confession. Nothing is solved by believing that the administration is somehow different than the dozen or so near identical leaders in other countries: that somehow this one uniquely is not pressuring companies hostile to it (in sp…

> This is, quite simply, a confession. That's like saying pleading the 5th is a confession...

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Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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post #52

DoD officials are barred from answering questions about White House influence on the decision owing to its assertion of "presidential communications privilege"[1]. This is, quite simply, a confession. Nothing is solved by believing that the administration is somehow different than the dozen or so near identical leaders in other countries: that somehow this one uniquely is not pressuring companies hostile to it (in sp…

> This is, quite simply, a confession. That's like saying pleading the 5th is a confession...

I mean, the President himself said multiple times that pleading the 5th meant one was guilty.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

#66

> there is a very specific issue before the court at the moment. It may seem arcane and procedural, but the back-and-forth arguments between Amazon and the government raise a key question of principle and fairness that should matter to us all. Namely, should a company—like Amazon—that bid high and lost, now get a do-over, especially now—as the IG’s report makes clear—Amazon received additional proprietary information…

Isn't the point though that Amazon knew about Microsoft's bid and other proprietary elements and STILL bid high (while Microsoft was blind to Amazon's?) They already had the advantage of information. #2 has already effectively happened.

I don't think Amazon knew about Microsoft's bid before the result was announced. Looks like the DoD folks did not redact a bunch of things properly while disclosing the winner information to Amazon.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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JEDI aside, I feel like Azure has grown in leaps and bounds... meanwhile AWS has rested on its laurels because they were the first major cloud and so many people adopted them early and either are stuck or in denial about where Azure is at. Even Microsoft shops that would benefit from tighter integrations and quicker feature releases seem to only really consider Azure an afterthought and will use GCP for specialty cas…

I will buy SQL Server specifically, but if you are using MySQL or Postgres then AWS is still the clear winner in my book. RDS is great and Aurora is even better, and serverless...wow. Both Azure's and GCP's managed database offerings don't match up if using MySQL or Postgres.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

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post #52

DoD officials are barred from answering questions about White House influence on the decision owing to its assertion of "presidential communications privilege"[1]. This is, quite simply, a confession. Nothing is solved by believing that the administration is somehow different than the dozen or so near identical leaders in other countries: that somehow this one uniquely is not pressuring companies hostile to it (in sp…

> This is, quite simply, a confession. That's like saying pleading the 5th is a confession...

It's not a trial, it's the public asking their government to tell them what's going on in this matter. And the government flatly refused. From this, it's absolutely reasonable for the public to think its government is hiding something now. And it's an order to _others_ in the DoD to remain silent. If it were a trial, this is ordering potential witnesses to remain silent on threat of termination.

What the White House is saying by claiming presidential privileged is 1) the president did indeed discuss it, which in itself is problematic and 2) that discussion is on par with a national security issue, which is an additional abuse of power.

As an aside, the 5th exists to prevent coerced confessions. In court, it is not to be taken as a sign of guilt because if it were, the point of the law would be moot. Where no court (or police) are involved, there is no possibility of coerced confession. Which is why everyone correctly views refusing to answer questions to friends, parents or reporters as very much a sign of guilt. And why confessions signed in police stations are very suspicious in many people's eyes. It certainly does not allow a government to refuse to answer to its people.

Re: It bid high and lost. Should Amazon be allowed a do-over on JEDI?

#69

Command+F 'Trump' -> 0 results They seem to be ignoring the massive elephant in the room, where there was political intrigue and a personal vendetta interfering in what's supposed to be an apolitical process[1]. > "I'm getting tremendous complaints about the contract with the Pentagon and with Amazon; they're saying it wasn't competitively bid," Trump told reporters on July 18. "I will be asking them to take a look a…

"Amazon would have you believe that it lost the award because of bias at the highest levels of government."

Maybe you should expand your search terms, or, you know, RTFA.

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