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Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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I know we're talking about people's lives, but maybe the world needs to see a country get it devastatingly wrong.

I think Russia is already setting that example, really no need for two. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/covid-19-russia-spike-cases-1....

Russia is honestly handling the crisis better than most of the western world. They've done >1.6M tests with a positivity rate of 1.7%.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Honest question: Did we see any anormal mortality in any country caused by the covid-19? Countrywide there seems to be less death than usual on the period January-March in Europe. Edit: And here goes my karma. I will need to do some PR to catch up with this :)

Europe's seen abnormally high mortality rates starting at the end of March. Someone sent me this graph, although unfortunately I didn't keep track of the source: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nq9Tcrho5QQ/XpjnH7DgeRI/A...

We need to compare year to year, mortality is higher in January - March any year.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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I wish this b.s. would stop. Corona virus is so contagious and we're so unprepared that it will continue to spread in the US regardless of what we do. Yes, thousands will die regardless of what we do. But there is no way lockdown will continue until people starve. So end this timid lockdown before the total destruction of our economy. Start thinking about public policy instead of "my dear 80 year-old grandpa in the h…

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The actual public health authorities agree that the coronavirus will spread no matter what we do, and that lockdowns will end in the near future.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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The parallels between the current US and Brazilian administrations are hard to ignore. That said, I really hope Trump and Fauci are able to see this crisis out together. Bolsonaro’s decision today could kill thousands, no doubt.

I wish this b.s. would stop. Corona virus is so contagious and we're so unprepared that it will continue to spread in the US regardless of what we do. Yes, thousands will die regardless of what we do. But there is no way lockdown will continue until people starve. So end this timid lockdown before the total destruction of our economy. Start thinking about public policy instead of "my dear 80 year-old grandpa in the h…

There’s absolutely no guarantee that the economy will make a quick recovery if the lockdowns are lifted.

If the death toll starts to spike, people are going to stay home anyway, and businesses will be bleeding cash hoping for a recovery that isn’t coming quickly enough.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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We are. comparable death rates in the UK are higher.

The numbers may be similar, if not slightly higher than normal, because the deaths we'd normally have are being offset by reduced activity and increase COVID-19 deaths. So looking at totals without that context doesn't help much. It's the same in the US. Article here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/16/coronaviru...

Yes, but what about comorbidity, when people die from cancer but had Covid-19, how do you define what killed them?

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish this b.s. would stop. Corona virus is so contagious and we're so unprepared that it will continue to spread in the US regardless of what we do. Yes, thousands will die regardless of what we do. But there is no way lockdown will continue until people starve. So end this timid lockdown before the total destruction of our economy. Start thinking about public policy instead of "my dear 80 year-old grandpa in the h…

I love this kind of thinking. Earlier in the year it was this was a bad flu, no cause for alarm, no lockdown necessary. This has switched to the virus being too contagious to contain so you might as well do nothing major to address it and let it run its course. Truth is countries that took this seriously and acted swiftly controlled it. They’ll be reopening soon (Singapore already has, right?). I’m guessing the US wi…

Singapore had to tighten up again already. I think perhaps the only country with credible control and an open economy is South Korea.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Sweden isn't performing a lot of tests for one: https://www.thelocal.se/20200414/understanding-swedens-figur...

Why do they need to perform a lot of tests if their strategy isn't dependent on testing?

Because if there’s a giant spike of currently asymptomatic carriers, you’d want to know.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe's seen abnormally high mortality rates starting at the end of March. Someone sent me this graph, although unfortunately I didn't keep track of the source: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nq9Tcrho5QQ/XpjnH7DgeRI/A...

We need to compare year to year, mortality is higher in January - March any year.

It still exceeds average seasonal mortality rates, see https://www.euromomo.eu
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