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Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Post by cosmodisk »

aphroz wrote: post #8

Honest question: Did we see any anormal mortality in any country caused by the covid-19? Countrywide there seems to be less death than usual on the period January-March in Europe. Edit: And here goes my karma. I will need to do some PR to catch up with this :)

We are. comparable death rates in the UK are higher.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Post by redis_mlc »

save_ferris wrote: post #6

The parallels between the current US and Brazilian administrations are hard to ignore. That said, I really hope Trump and Fauci are able to see this crisis out together. Bolsonaro’s decision today could kill thousands, no doubt.

I wish this b.s. would stop.

Corona virus is so contagious and we're so unprepared that it will continue to spread in the US regardless of what we do.

Yes, thousands will die regardless of what we do.

But there is no way lockdown will continue until people starve. So end this timid lockdown before the total destruction of our economy.

Start thinking about public policy instead of "my dear 80 year-old grandpa in the home."

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

aphroz wrote: post #8

Honest question: Did we see any anormal mortality in any country caused by the covid-19? Countrywide there seems to be less death than usual on the period January-March in Europe. Edit: And here goes my karma. I will need to do some PR to catch up with this :)

Europe's seen abnormally high mortality rates starting at the end of March. Someone sent me this graph, although unfortunately I didn't keep track of the source:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nq9Tcrho5QQ/XpjnH7DgeRI/A...

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Post by mchusma »

mikepurvis wrote: post #5
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #2

I know we're talking about people's lives, but maybe the world needs to see a country get it devastatingly wrong.

Already happening in Sweden: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-as-swedens-deat...

I don't understand the Sweden example. Their daily % increase in deaths is well below California. I don't know if there is a difference in counting deaths but Sweden seems to be doing ok relative to other countries. I have heard that they are effectively shut down voluntarily, so government action was not needed but the effect has been the same. Maybe a Swede can weigh in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_C...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in...

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Post by simmanian »

aphroz wrote: post #8

Honest question: Did we see any anormal mortality in any country caused by the covid-19? Countrywide there seems to be less death than usual on the period January-March in Europe. Edit: And here goes my karma. I will need to do some PR to catch up with this :)

I mean, if you just google "covid death tolls" you'll see 34,386 deaths in USA alone that we know of. Considering a lot of COVID patients don't even get diagnosed the real number is likely higher. Isn't that enough?

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Post by cosmodisk »

romwell wrote: post #4
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #2

I know we're talking about people's lives, but maybe the world needs to see a country get it devastatingly wrong.

I wish the effects were limited to the politicians making the decisions. Perhaps Boris Johnson's attitude will change a little bit now, for example.

It will be quite the opposite,I think. The Brazilian president had it as well and here's the article about his actions.

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Post by htk »

Bolsonaro has no negotiation skills, and is (frankly) bad at mostly everything, but he's got a good finance minister who's saying that the country just can't stop creating value, but what is the right balance?

Mandetta, the previous health minister, had no flexibility in his views, he wanted to follow the WHO blindly, without weighing anything else.

Maybe the new guy has the flexibility and the brains to find a better balance of views, and to create a strategy on top of it.

Re: Bolsonaro fires health minister, calls to reopen economy

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Post by rsynnott »

aphroz wrote: post #8

Honest question: Did we see any anormal mortality in any country caused by the covid-19? Countrywide there seems to be less death than usual on the period January-March in Europe. Edit: And here goes my karma. I will need to do some PR to catch up with this :)

... where are you getting that? See https://www.euromomo.eu/

About the only country significantly under normal is Ireland, which has a youngish population and a fairly effective lockdown.

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Post by roel_v »

aphroz wrote: post #8

Honest question: Did we see any anormal mortality in any country caused by the covid-19? Countrywide there seems to be less death than usual on the period January-March in Europe. Edit: And here goes my karma. I will need to do some PR to catch up with this :)

In the Netherlands (for March) mortality for all age cohorts is up, average of about 10%. Lower cohorts mortality is down but not enough to offset the others. Causality is by definition impossible to ascertain at this aggregate level, but no reasonable person would come with another explanation.
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