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Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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I've used Paperspace's Gradient product (hosted Jupyter notebooks), and while it is cheaper than most other options, I can't recommend it. The service has a very janky feel. When I first started, there was an issue where my instance was was stuck "shutting down" for half an hour or more and I couldn't access my code. Then there was a weird issue where some kind of geographical split between different types of instanc…

I also can't recommend them. Service is operational when working, but the times it isn't working as expected I don't have the patience to message support. Things just aren't straightforward. This was 2 years ago when I used them to run a couple of Windows apps for work.

Just saying that on Paperspace, it's all about using the storage folder. Had some challenges before, but definitely getting a lot of value out of it now.

I think the product has a ton of potential, but certainly has warts to iron out. I've so far just used gradient, and haven't experimented with the core APIs feature yet, but looking forward to seeing what can be done there.

Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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Curious what folks think the outlook on this technology is. Rather, will there be any significant shift towards centralized compute in the next decade? Currently, a large institution/corporation has to manage thousands of individual machines. Say a physical component fails, now a technician must go to the location of the machine and give the user a temporary replacement. Alternatively, in a centralized compute enviro…

So we're back to 21st century mainframes.

Count me out. Personal computing forever!

Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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No cookies, no ads, source code always available, pay for a prebuilt version, user names price ... in excess of $100k/year (after 20 years :) ... ardour.org

I'd love to see a graph of that income over those 20 years! Also, do you get any license payments from Harrison Consoles? And if yes, are those included in the 100k per year?

There is a small "back payment" from Harrison, but it is not included in the cited numbers. I work closely with Harrison and they have worked very hard to not make Mixbus a "fork" of Ardour.

Note that there was essentially zero income for the first 8 years, and then a slow, steady rise once I needed to make a living again and instituted the Radiohead-inspired "pay tunnel".

Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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It doesn't look like this is launched yet, at least I don't see it when I log in. I've been happy with their notebook product Gradient though, and it will be interesting to see if latency is good enough for this to replace some local desktop usage.

Sorry for the confusion here, we are in the midst of separating out the two products and this is not reflected everywhere yet. Under the CORE section of the interface, you'll find these instances and you can download the desktop app here: https://paperspace.com/download

How's native peripheral support? I've been looking for a cloud solution that would act as a virtual rig for VR. However, from everything I read there's hardware limitation on memory to support meaningful peripheral throughput. I'm curious about what you and DTE have come across!

Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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Agreed, something like "Netlify for virtual machines" would be useful. You could probably get close by auto-deploying from GitHub Actions but you wouldn't get the main benefit of a service like that (having ops done in a clean way without having to think much about it). Without having any experience in the field, aren't lambda functions supposed to provide something like that?

Sorry I'm not getting the main value prop from this. I'm mainly an ops person. Can you please explain what that service would look like?

Netlify (primarily) takes a git repo containing a program to generate a static site and turns that into a live running website that automatically updates when the generator repo changes. You don't have to think about configuration or security or updates and you don't have to maintain a server.

Ideally this would be a service with the same ergonomics but the outcome isn't a hosted static website but a machine (somewhere in the cloud) running whatever the user wants. "Tedious" tasks like hardening, monitoring and upgrading (and redeploys) would be handled by the service provider, as opposed to the user.

For people who like doing ops this might not sound appealing but developers (especially single devs and small teams) often just wanna focus on their app, not their ops, even more so when it comes to continous maintenance.

Addendum: I think Laravel has some of this covered in their ecosystem with tools like Forge and Envoyer. But I've never tried any of them so I can't judge.

Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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I've used Paperspace's Gradient product (hosted Jupyter notebooks), and while it is cheaper than most other options, I can't recommend it. The service has a very janky feel. When I first started, there was an issue where my instance was was stuck "shutting down" for half an hour or more and I couldn't access my code. Then there was a weird issue where some kind of geographical split between different types of instanc…

CEO of Paperspace here. I'm really sorry about this. That is not the experience that we are striving for and FWIW, since leaving beta, Gradient is much more mature at this point (many millions of hours of runtime and lots of developer work). We have been aggressively stabilizing (and building out new features) over the past few years and continue to improve the product every release. My sincerest apologies for your n…

It's cool that you're responding in this thread, and thanks, but I just have to mention that these experiences are from about a month ago. Not sure if that's what you mean by "early on".

Re: Workstream: A fast virtual computer you can use for anything

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I'm waiting for my honest business practices to pay off. No cookies, no ads, donations only. It hasn't paid off aside from about 1k per year in revenue and lots of thank you emails.

No cookies, no ads, source code always available, pay for a prebuilt version, user names price ... in excess of $100k/year (after 20 years :) ... ardour.org

Thinking about going open source but too afraid of hostile forks. How do you prevent people from stealing the business?
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