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Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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If this is using a projected pattern, then it's not lidar -- it's probably a form of projected stereo. I.e. it's not a true time-of-flight measurement.

This is a laser based ToF sensor, not pattern projection.

My mistake. Thanks for the clarification.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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Ok, this is tangential but there’s a lot of people in this thread who seem to have a good knowledge of lidar:

How close can you get to creating a decent topographical survey of your property with what’s available to consumers? Could you walk around with an iPad Pro and build a decent 3D model? Is there a not exorbitant drone solution?

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I would be curious to know if this could be used (with a heavy dose of software and a rotating mount) to replace a Matterport scanner for real estate agents. That would be a $2495-$3995 cost for device, a fixed cost of $19-$29 per house walkthrough and a $49-$149/mo hosting fee. Seems like a boatload of cash could be made for a first-to-market product here.

How common are those? I've looked at a lot of properties and am yet to run across a 3D scan, but it may be very location dependent/value of property.

I live in a large midwestern city. They aren't common by any means but they definitely exist. I'm sure more expensive properties are more likely to have features like this but I've seen starter homes in the mid $100k with scans.

They really helped me as a buyer and while I don't know what they cost, I think I'd spring a couple hundred dollars to have it whenever we sell our house.

I think the biggest problem is that as a seller, I want qualified leads, but I get the feeling realtors just want leads because there's always another house. This mis-alignment of incentives means that in my experience listing agents don't always want to take steps that would limit foto traffic to a property, even if it would be excluding parties that probably wouldn't buy.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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Unfortunately for someone like me who’s not enthusiastic about photography at all and takes maybe a dozen photos a year, every time I buy a new iPhone or in this case an iPad Pro I feel like I’m wasting hundreds of bucks on a camera I’m not really gonna take advantage of.

If they built a version without cameras for the small subset of people who don’t even want a camera for FaceTime/video conferencing, chances are it would be more expensive than what you paid now. Apple would have to make separate backplanes, boxes, marketing material, etc, would have to create a separate iOS release (they couldn’t ship a camera app with the system, for example, and would have to change the UI that allows picking a photo from either storage or camera.

I guess it also would break many apps. I don’t think there ever was an iOS device without a camera, so nobody is checking for its presence.

For example, your banking app that wants you to take a photo of a QR code for 2FA would break.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very common in my area. When we just put our previous home up for rent, the agent had somebody come in, scan and photo the house and it was up the next day with virtual 3d walkthroughs and everything. We kinda couldn't believe they would do that just for a rental.

Side effect - these become documents of record if you damage/modify a rental property.

After one ugly experience with a dirtbag landlord, I started taking my own photos and had the landlord sign/date them before moving in.

Always have your own documentation.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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post #34
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very common in my area. When we just put our previous home up for rent, the agent had somebody come in, scan and photo the house and it was up the next day with virtual 3d walkthroughs and everything. We kinda couldn't believe they would do that just for a rental.

Side effect - these become documents of record if you damage/modify a rental property.

Given how absurdly touched up real estate photos can be I really don’t know if that would hold up in court.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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post #3

I would be curious to know if this could be used (with a heavy dose of software and a rotating mount) to replace a Matterport scanner for real estate agents. That would be a $2495-$3995 cost for device, a fixed cost of $19-$29 per house walkthrough and a $49-$149/mo hosting fee. Seems like a boatload of cash could be made for a first-to-market product here.

Great question. In theory - yes I think it would be possible. But there is a lot of software involved in producing and distributing such scans. Matterport does a great job in packaging and distributing these scans in a way that is easy for real estate agents to produce & share, and for buyers to view. There is probably a great business out there, but it does require a lot of development work.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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Pretty excited to see what this does to the price of Lidar tech. I used to hear (need to validate with more research) that GPS and gyros/imu's are so cheap because of the need to get them so small and production friendly for so many mobile phones. I think Pixel 4 also has Lidar so I hope this trend continues.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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post #3

I would be curious to know if this could be used (with a heavy dose of software and a rotating mount) to replace a Matterport scanner for real estate agents. That would be a $2495-$3995 cost for device, a fixed cost of $19-$29 per house walkthrough and a $49-$149/mo hosting fee. Seems like a boatload of cash could be made for a first-to-market product here.

How common are those? I've looked at a lot of properties and am yet to run across a 3D scan, but it may be very location dependent/value of property.

I've seen some. They aren't actually that useful though. Unless your prospective buyer has a VR headset. Even then, a good floorplan has all the info I need.

Re: Lidar: Peek into the Future with iPad Pro

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I think LIDAR could be very cool but as the article alludes it definitely has the "Chicken & Egg" problem is that you need the hardware so developers can develop, and you need the software to justify having the hardware. Sounds like even the API isn't on-tap quite yet. It would definitely be cool if you could e.g. walk around a room and scan it into a home re-modelling app. I know the stated aim is more AR, and that'…

I wonder if this is a reaction to Soli from Google. The use case isn't the same but it's related. It's also got a real chicken-egg problem. Typically they'd preview this for some developers to have at least demo apps available at launch but idk what they're cooking up here.
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