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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Astek Group* (a french consulting firm) laid off around 5% of its sophia-antipolis office (~15 out of 300), which put them in conflict with the government that has put funds to help people maintain 84% of their salaries if they work part-time (furlough?).

You probably meant "Astek Group"? they aren't that small actually

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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I wish there was some kind of list for the UK. Our news services are shockingly bad.

Although lots of UK companies won't be making any redundancies until the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme ends. It's much easier to put UK workers on the 80% pay furlough scheme than firing them. As soon as that money dries up expect companies to make lots of mass redundancies. It's going to be interesting to see the UK government's exit strategy from this crisis, immediately terminating the scheme before the economy…

My neighbour literally said to me over the fence the other day 'yay! furloughed!' with a thumbs up and a smile. I wasn't impressed.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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This is just grammatical nitpicking. People are not working in company X any more against their will. One can call it "removing", "laying off", "dismissing", "number cutting" or whatever corporate BS speak says is correct these days, but reality is that they're fired.

So what should we call it when someone loses their job due to their own misconduct rather than budgets or whatever?

Usually "receiving a golden handshake"

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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No severance?! I, as an expat, am absolutely grateful and have changed my tune on the “European welfare state” trope to “this just makes sense”. I got let go from a Berlin based fintech and got 3 months pay plus a small severance. They did this likely because funding fell apart during the pandemic but it could have also been to cull people that they didn’t need but they did do right by us.

Whether the European social model is sustainable is another question. There are plenty of apparently reasonable economists that argue it is not.

  Whether the ${COUNTRY} social model is sustainable is another question. 
  There are plenty of apparently reasonable ${PEOPLE} that argue it is not.
${COUNTRY} = "USA"

${PEOPLE} = "americans"

it seems to compile as well...

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Our government basically hasn't shut down our economy. To quote, "all jobs are essential services".

I'm an Australian living in Europe. What's it actually like there? It sounds like you're under strict lockdown but everyone seems to be saying the government is doing a terrible job (even though the test positive rate is low and the relative number of cases, even the absolute number of cases, is low). Here you say the economy is still humming along but other people say there's queues outside of Centrelink and down th…

Australian in Sydney here.

Most retail shops are closed. A lot of restaurants and cafes are closed. All events cancelled. So there's a lot of casuals / partimers who don't have any work anymore.

Bunnings, BigW, Kmart, all supermarkets are open with social distancing and limiting people in the store. Not sure a bout bike stores. Hobbyco in QVB is still open. A lot of stores closed their retail but are still doing online orders.

Basically Australia uses a combination of blacklist and a whitelist system. Some places where people gather like gyms and pubs are forced to close, and restaurants are forced to takeaway-only. You also have a whitelist on reasons to come outside of your home, which still include work.

My company was good - we spend a week preparing and now almost everyone is working from home, which is probably unusual considering we work in embedded systems. I have several boxes of hardware in my room with me now.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Astek Group* (a french consulting firm) laid off around 5% of its sophia-antipolis office (~15 out of 300), which put them in conflict with the government that has put funds to help people maintain 84% of their salaries if they work part-time (furlough?).

You probably meant "Astek Group"? they aren't that small actually

Yes ! That was a typo, they're not small at all. But they have been doing sketchy things with contractors for a long time.

If you want to read more about the recent layoffs here is a link in French [0] (unfortunately behind an ad paywall)

[0] https://www.nicematin.com/economie/ce-groupe-base-sur-la-cot...

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Given that nowadays it's common for current and former employers(I know you're reading this, Wiktor) to track our social media presence I wouldn't be surprised if that already happened. I mean, firing via e.g. Twitter is a thing.

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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Can someone please change the title of this - just as with other similar posts - to use "laid-off" instead of "fired"? Regardless of how loose some may be with language, there's a clear distinction between these terms. For example, my home state's Employment Security Department: https://esd.wa.gov/unemployment/laid-off-or-fired Given that there are non-US readers here, maybe there's another pair of phrases that Hacke…

This is just grammatical nitpicking. People are not working in company X any more against their will. One can call it "removing", "laying off", "dismissing", "number cutting" or whatever corporate BS speak says is correct these days, but reality is that they're fired.

Not sure about nuances in English language but in Swedish there is a very important distinction. You are fired for stealing at work, hitting your manager or neglecting safety precautions etc. You are laid off for economical reasons, when the company can not afford to keep you around. The former reflects bad on you, the latter is not due to you. I think it is important to maintain the distinction.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Makes a lot more sense than firing the high performers, no?

Would seem so on the face of it, but measuring performance is not trivial, and some people can be essential for reasons unrelated to performance (or their real performance isn't accurately measured, however you want to see it).

Sometimes, but often I think it’s fairly clear that someone is underperforming.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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It doesn't matter, the difference is not enough, and the developer in SF is still much better off.

The developer in SF might be financially better off, but the developer in Berlin is better off in general.

Yeah I mean of course I’d like to make 250k and have huge stock options I’m just not that caliber of developer yet. But for devs that are and live in Germany (this has come up with my former German colleagues— whom I still consider friends) they are cognizant of the salaries of their American counterparts but the benefits of healthcare and the transit system and the access to all the good food and other European countries I think is a big win for them. I might be projecting but they could move their families to the states and take jobs with any of the big tech companies, my former teammates could, but they won’t. There’s such a thing as good enough income, and given that a lot is provided for here I understand that now, too.
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