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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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> you guys could perhaps put a firewall rule to drop all incoming traffic to the VPN How could you ever trust an employee who did this with their access privileges?

In France, employees don't earn the trust of the CEO, the CEO earns the trust of the employees.

I don't know how other employees could trust an employee abusing their privileges like that, either.

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Under UK employment laws, you can't just force your staff to take a 20% pay cut without their consent, even if you're using the furlough scheme. And as others have pointed out, it may have been more than 20% in practice, if it was based on the furlough scheme where a cap applies. A lot of places that are genuinely up against it because of the virus are asking staff to take that hit voluntarily to help protect the bus…

Yeah lots of people aren't aware that you can refuse the UK furlough scheme. The company can then fire you but you could then take them to an employment tribunal and sue for unfair dismissal. At certain companies that are using furlough as an excuse to increase profits rather than to prevent job losses then you would probably win your case. Although obviously you should consult with a proper employment lawyer.

As I understand it, most employment lawyers are advising clients to follow the same processes as they would for redundancy in selecting staff to be furloughed etc. This ensures that if an employee does decline then proper records will have been kept and proper processes followed to make them redundant in the normal way. Given that the explicit intent of the furlough scheme is to provide an alternative for employers who would otherwise have to make staff redundant, this doesn't seem unreasonable.

Obviously this means employers who are abusing the system to try to force a pay cut on people or fire them by the back door when they weren't genuinely redundant may be out of luck. I'm not sure anyone is going to have much sympathy for employers doing that, though.

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Statistically-speaking, this will disproportionately effect women and minorities (low performance reviews !necessarily= low performance when implicit bias is present, which again, statistically-speaking, it is). Certainly these times suck for everyone, but there go the careers of black, brown, and female millennials with yet another black mark on their CVs before they've hit their 40s.

I'm sorry but I (as a minority myself) genuinely feel a little bit insulted by your assumption that minorities score worst in performance test. There's no basis for that belief, a part from your personal biases and they are shockingly regressive even if well intentioned. Are you yourself a minority?

I think they didn't mean tests but reviews, as in subconscious racism and sexism on the part of the reviewer

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Surprisingly, severance is also mandatory in Argentina and many other "under development" countries. I'm absolutely amazed at how people in the US are so against severance being mandatory.

It’s a violation of consent. Consent can be withdrawn at any time, with no further obligations or liability. That’s key in a free society. Employment is a transaction, like any other. Doing some business yesterday is no guarantee of business tomorrow.

Employees are in a much weaker position than companies, they are not in an equal position so consent doesn't come into the equation, as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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No severance?! I, as an expat, am absolutely grateful and have changed my tune on the “European welfare state” trope to “this just makes sense”. I got let go from a Berlin based fintech and got 3 months pay plus a small severance. They did this likely because funding fell apart during the pandemic but it could have also been to cull people that they didn’t need but they did do right by us.

> No severance?!

I agree that no severance sucks. Although keep in mind that in theory, higher salaries should equal hire savings. The average developer in SF makes more than the average developer in Berlin (how much more... maybe 2X)? If you could make 100% more & forego a severance package, would you?

It's not a real world choice, I'm just trying to offer context that one way to look at higher salaries is that you are getting cash more cash upfront instead in lieu of having a stronger social safety net. And people who work crap jobs just don't have a safety net, which is another conversation.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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Surprisingly, severance is also mandatory in Argentina and many other "under development" countries. I'm absolutely amazed at how people in the US are so against severance being mandatory.

interesting... what if mandatory severance and other (supposedly) nice things are the reason those countries are underdeveloped?

Seems unlikely to find a mono-causal relationship in something as complex as a national economy.

It’s interesting though, how would you go about establishing a proof?

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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CircleCI. Last week during covid crisis, all while announcing a $100m Series E round of financing, they let some employees go and did not offer any severance. Disorganized management, and with some teams, passive-aggressive management style. Would not recommend joining...

How would you characterize the quality of CircleCI? I've spent quite a few hours trying to work out mysterious bugs in a build process that runs fine locally. This morning the web ui was full of 'client error' messages.

You might be interested in what I'm building over at https://boxci.dev

The motivation for this was exactly this problem. With Box CI your local build is your CI build because it runs jobs via agents on your own hardware so you can very easily debug / understand what is going on.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#168

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Surprisingly, severance is also mandatory in Argentina and many other "under development" countries. I'm absolutely amazed at how people in the US are so against severance being mandatory.

interesting... what if mandatory severance and other (supposedly) nice things are the reason those countries are underdeveloped?

I wouldn't mind a stance which promotes human welfare over economic growth.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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I’ve been checking layoffs.fyi every day and it is incredibly bleak

What I don't quite understand is why startups who either just received funding or companies who were doing reasonably well decide to do mass layoffs during economic downturns? I mean they provide $reasons but I have a hard time taking them at face value.

The money might not be in the bank.

For many (even unicornish) startups the funding is released in tranches, usually tied to certain performance metrics. With drastically reduced revenue, new customer flow all dried up, and even marketing result graphs simulating nosedives, there aren't that many milestones you could hit.

If [enough] performance milestones are missed, company's next batch of on-paper funding pot may not be released.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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interesting... what if mandatory severance and other (supposedly) nice things are the reason those countries are underdeveloped?

those countries like Germany, Austria, etc?

Let's add Norway and probably Sweden as well to that list.
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