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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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And as far as I can tell that’s America only, nevermind Europe and Australia...

Australia apparently saw a minor rise in employment[0] for now. https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/markets/australia-unexpect...

Of my complex of 15 people, 14 were employed prior to coronavirus. Other than my wife and I, only one other person in our complex still has a job.

Expect those numbers to change. A lot.

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I’ve been checking layoffs.fyi every day and it is incredibly bleak

Are they seriously listing down emails and mobile numbers of the people layed off? Is there no privacy concern here or am I missing the bigger picture?

I don't really understand that either. My best guess is potential employers can contact them directly? Still I would put a layer in between, i.e. LinkedIn.

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CircleCI. Last week during covid crisis, all while announcing a $100m Series E round of financing, they let some employees go and did not offer any severance. Disorganized management, and with some teams, passive-aggressive management style. Would not recommend joining...

Guess they might just be using Covid as an excuse to get rid of some people? Wouldn't be ethical, but wouldn't be surprised if some companies took advantage of the situation.

> Wouldn't be ethical, but wouldn't be surprised if some companies took advantage of the situation.

I know for the fact that few US, Indian firms with offices in India are just using this as an excuse to trim their workforce, enforce paycuts (upto 50%), hold back increments for the year (and even next) and restructure salaries drastically - by moving almost 60% to vaiable pay(which typically never gets paid).

Such a list is live at https://careervscovid19.com/insights

Traditional BigCo ITeS/outsourcing shops are using this as a great opportunity to trim the flab in the middle (claiming as "a dire measure to sustain shareholder value") while it was always about . These are the same bunch in middle-management whom they would pamper regularly by giving quarterly/monthly awards (quarterly Gem, Spot awards, Player of the month, etc bullshit accolades)

And the markets also work that way. On a regular day, if there's firing, stocks of a BigCo go wonky sensing something is amiss. During a crisis, if they do not fire people by the thousands, markets deem it as lack of financial prudence and stocks go down.

Everything (and anything) in the name of profits and shareholder value. There's a saying dated thousands of years, goes like "vyaparam droha chintanam” meaning "Business is all about profits most often via undue advantages".

Related article - http://www.informaticsjournals.com/index.php/dbijb/article/d...

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Australia apparently saw a minor rise in employment[0] for now. https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/markets/australia-unexpect...

Our government basically hasn't shut down our economy. To quote, "all jobs are essential services".

This is good news, considering they've apparently been also able to reduce the number of new confirmed cases [1].

[1] https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/

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In UK employees are more likely to get furloughed, where they are paid 80% of their salary from the government, do not work but keep their job.

In the Netherlands similar. Government pays 90%, employer the other 10% and can't fire anyone.

In Poland you get fuck all. Government kept promising 40% contribution but doesn't say where you're supposed to find the other 60% from. So companies are letting go of people left and right.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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This is looking 2001-dot-com-crash bad, but much, much faster. It's worth remembering there are plenty of companies not laying people off, and "normal" will return eventually. That said, I was watching The Big Short yesterday, and a line that I had noted before haunted me even more: "For every 1% unemployment goes up [in the USA], 40,000 people die". Stay safe, stay positive.

> This is looking 2001-dot-com-crash bad, but much, much faster. Also probably much more transient, no? Is there a reason to think this trend would continue beyond say... six months? (or whenever quarantine measures are mostly relaxed).

Even if it's transient, I think you'll see a lot of companies use this situation as an excuse to clear the decks of what they perceive to be bad hires or underperforming employees that they'd otherwise let limp on in good times.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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I’ve been checking layoffs.fyi every day and it is incredibly bleak

Are they seriously listing down emails and mobile numbers of the people layed off? Is there no privacy concern here or am I missing the bigger picture?

Are those not submitted by the people themselves to aid in their job search?
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