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From what I have heard this is a problem with OLED panels.
I frequently use apps with "night" theme (black background, white UI controls). You know how Android apps have "back" button on the top-left corner, right? There is also a navbar (back/home/recent buttons). In my case it's a white-ish rectangle that's almost always present on screen. By the time Samsung added an option to hide it, the damage was already done. I have them both burnt in on my screen. I first noticed th…
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I still don't know what it is about 60 Hz that made me see the flicker plainly as a strobing light. TVs at 50 Hz—nothing (other than being generally bleh back then). Had to use 800x600 instead of 1024x768 just to have 85 Hz instead. On LCDs, I still can see faint flicker on some static backgrounds, and I think 60 Hz might play a role here too—though it seems to also depend on the brightness and Flux being on or off.…
The LCDs you see this on are 6-bit color displays using temporal dithering to pretend to be 8-bit color.
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#224As a historical note, the bouncing logo wasn't just for fun, but was important to prevent screen burn-in on CRTs. If you had a static image on a CRT for a long time, it could damage the phosphor. Sometimes you could even see the image when the screen was off! This was the original purpose of screensavers, which saved your screen from damage. Displaying a dynamic image prevented one part of the screen from being overu…
I had heard of this before, but didn't know that screensavers were designed to prevent that damage from happening. In this case, the bouncing DVD logo seems like an odd choice, as the way it's designed, there are certain pixels on the screen that it will never cross (corners, for example), which would fail to serve the desired purpose. Can someone explain?
A CRT screen basically works by firing electrons (or if you want that a bit more scaremongery: a beam of beta radiation) at the phosphor plate, the impact of which makes it emit light. Shades are achieved by varying the intensity of the electron beam and colour is formed by having three different colours of phosphor dot and three beams (and a grid to make sure the right dots were hit by the right electrons), but these details are irrelevant to the burn-in problem.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode-ray_tube for a longer and better explanation of how it works, and the history of the technology.
Under normal operation this is mostly all fine: the phosphor "recovers" once the beam stops hitting it for a while. The phosphor does degrade (essentially they burn) a little over time with use which is also fine if the wear is level, though it does mean the screen effectively fades a little with age. If you leave a particular image on screen for a long time then it becomes more of a problem because the lit areas degrade and the unlit ones don't. Essentially the phosphor plate develops permanent tan lines. It was not uncommon to see the shadow of login prompts or semi-permanent UI elements burned into screens this way.
It happens to other screen types too, though for slightly different reasons in each case. Plasma screens are particularly sensitive to the problem, but it can affect LCD displays too (some types worse than others). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in for examples and a bit more detail.
The earliest screen-savers were just turned the screen black. This could lead to machine being powered off accidentally (potentially losing work if a user had walked off without saving) when someone thinks they are off and tries to turn them on, so instead a simple moving message was added, the message to indicate the machine is intentionally on and the movement to stop the message burning in. Other animations were added, with After Dark's iconic flying toasters appearing in ~89, and around the Windows 3.x era it exploded and almost became an art form (anyone else fondly remember the three-and-two-tenths flying toaster brigade, or Johnny Cast-Away?), some people competed to have the best screen-saver, or just the most "them" screensaver along with wallpaper/colour-scheme/other-desktop-customisations, and of course every corporate desktop carried the (bouncing) company branding when idle. Things died down when we became more energy conscious: going back to black screens because turning the whole apparatus off when idle saves energy.
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Waterloo Station (in London, named after the bridge, which is in turn named after the battle, which was in Belgium) for a while had these full colour panels which I guess may have been plasma? These were used to display train information. They suffered terrible burn-in, and I was never sure why they were used. Eventually they ripped them out and replaced them with panels using the same technology (monochrome panels m…
Just move it imperceptibly slowly.
Also, cue trainspotters and such putting 10-hour+ 1x-speed captures of the screens running through the entire cycle up on YouTube...
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#226In 1999, my DVD player could do this smoothly without any hitches or glitches. In 2020, my Xeon can't render this fast enough to avoid stutters. Either code quality has gone way down or my DVD player had a faster CPU.
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No, they’re low resolution and bulky. Do many people even own an old DVD player anymore?
I still buy DVDs because I like classic movies and for those movies it doesn't matter whether you watch in dvd quality or Blu-ray. Plus DVD rips are significantly smaller in size and even though I have Blu-rays for some movies I don't have a Blu-ray player on my computer to rip them. So effectively my preference is to buy DVD, unless it's a relatively modern movie (post 90s)
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I had heard of this before, but didn't know that screensavers were designed to prevent that damage from happening. In this case, the bouncing DVD logo seems like an odd choice, as the way it's designed, there are certain pixels on the screen that it will never cross (corners, for example), which would fail to serve the desired purpose. Can someone explain?
There was a video going around of the logo hitting the corner perfect and a room full of people got real excited
Sorry.
(Someone should do a better version.)
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From what I have heard this is a problem with OLED panels.
I frequently use apps with "night" theme (black background, white UI controls). You know how Android apps have "back" button on the top-left corner, right? There is also a navbar (back/home/recent buttons). In my case it's a white-ish rectangle that's almost always present on screen. By the time Samsung added an option to hide it, the damage was already done. I have them both burnt in on my screen. I first noticed th…
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Let's hope we just stick to black screens to save some power and prevent burn-in at the same time.
Why didn't we do this back in the CRT era, and invented screensaver instead, then? TV is understandable, you don't want a DVD player to show a black screen, otherwise it appears dead. But what about screensavers on computers, why did it come into being? (I know turning a CRT on takes time, but we don't have to turn it off completely to blank the screen either?) Update: It appears that the original motivation was publ…