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Procrastination and Perfectionism

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Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#11
There were several good HN conversations on this, back when HN was "young", if anyone cares to look for them. (Unfortunately, I've lost the references I saved.)

(I don't mean to be ironic; I just can't justify the time/effort to dig for them, right now. But I thought they were useful, when I encountered them.)

EDIT:

To clarify, I meant procrastination and "structured procrastination" generally, not just -- but also not excluding -- procrastination and perfectionism.

Also, I'm not comfortable with my vague "go search" suggestion, so here's a least a minimal start:

https://encrypted.google.com/search?&q=site%3Anews.ycomb...

which turns up, for just one quickly identified example,

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=579979

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#14

Procratinsation is a coping mechanism for perfectionism?

I would refer to it as delusional perfectionism. You build up this image of what a great job you are going to do, but well you never end up doing it, until you encounter some outside pressure to just get it done. So that in the end you just get it done and it is most likely no where near perfection.

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#15
post #8

I love the philosopher that wrote this, John Perry. He wrote this other essay called "The Essential Indexical" that is about how we assign reference to the word "I" in different contexts. Read it if you want an example of what Paul Graham refered to in one of his essays, when he says the lesson of philosophy '...is that the concepts we use in everyday life are fuzzy, and break down if pushed too hard." You certainly…

Thanks for the suggestion! What's interesting is that by coming at it from the philosophical and linguistic perspective, he doesn't discuss the psychological limitations of "I" as a concept -- multiple personas and personalities, self-definition via relationships. Or maybe he is discussing them, just using different terms?

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#16
It very nearly describes how I find myself to function as well. As long as there is theoretical possibility of doing an improved job than I am currently at, if i did something and delivered right now — I will most likely procrastinate into related subjects that indeed could help improve my response to the task at hand.

While at a the start line we have all this potential (we are perfectionist ), we see this perfect solution we will deliver, but deep down we do know that once we actually start — it just does not happen. Its like if we start we know that we will limit our potential because we have to make choices; narrowing down the possible result.

The reason I/we procrastinate is because not doing so means earlier realizing we will not live up to our own high so-believed standards.

To simply tell myself "do the non-perfect thing" might work from time to time, but it doesn't really solve all that much, its just a way to get by.

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#17
A joke I read in a David Foster Wallace book went something like ... There was an employee at an ad agency who did good work but took a little too long to complete his assignments. One day the boss comes up to him and asks "Johnson did it ever seem ironic to you that the work paralysis rhymes with perfectionist?".

The employee thinks about it and says "Yea I think I see your point about perfectionist and paralysis being somewhat interrelated like that but there is actually a 't' on the end of the word 'perfectionist'. So even though I think you have a valid point, those two words don't really rhyme like what you're saying".

The boss looks at him for a second and says "Well, close enough".

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#18
This is me too. I manage to impress other people with what I accomplish, yet feel dissatisfied because my dreams were so much bigger.

I also find it ironic that I own one of Prof Perry's philosophy books (Personal Identity). Bought it 15 years ago, but have yet to get around to reading it!

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

#19
Observations on procrastination:

I only do things like cleaning up around the house, vacuuming, etc. when there is something less pleasant that I'm required to get done. Need to call the insurance agent to work out a billing issue? Suddenly this carpet looks positively filthy.

I'm easily bored and addicted to certain brain chemicals. In interpersonal interaction, I generally lose interest quickly unless it's witty banter. Reddit is obviously a dangerous inhibitor of any productivity for me, then.

Since I'm easily bored, procrastination provides a handy way to create an interesting, high-pressure situation. I can't count the number of times I pulled all-nighters for the most inane school assignments. Usually, I thought I did terribly, yet yielded an acceptable or high score. This payoff feeds back into the excitement for next time.

Disappointment is painful. Truly putting one's best into something -- which turns out to require many times the amount of effort that you imagined -- only to find flaw in it (QA, or teacher grading) leaves one feeling devastated. It's much better to have my hand forced by 'external' factors (time restraint) so that I have an excuse for imperfect results.

Re: Procrastination and Perfectionism

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post #10

I've been a procrastinator for as long as I can remember. In elementary school I recall being assigned the the task of writing a report on the composer Rossini. I had no interest and I still haven't done it 30+ years later. But for some reason I still think about it. The explanation in this article doesn't hold true for me. When it comes to things that aren't fun or that may be evaluated for quality and I must get th…

I don't think Perry was saying that perfectionism is the only explanation for procrastination. I read his essay as a very insightful explanation of his own style of putting things off. Some of us procrastinators may be like him, others may not.

There's also clearly a distinction between avoiding something you have no interest in doing, and avoiding doing something you enjoy. It sounds like you're talking about the former, when Perry was talking about the latter. When he talked about his initial thoughts when accepting the refereeing assignment, he didn't view it as something menial -- rather, it was something he imagined both enjoying and doing well.

Some of us do put off doing things that interest us -- for exactly the reasons Perry describes. Of course YMMV.

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