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Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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[citation needed] Here's another anecdote: No lifting weights, only running & cycling and lately swimming. Pretty much the opposite of what the article is arguing. Since I started this I'm doing I'm doing fairly well, six pack included. I went to the gym once, and saw bulked up guys getting 5 pull ups. So I tried that and could easily do 30. Lifting weights may make you look like a bodybuilder, but are you really fit…

The article mentions the four basic muscular aptitudes: strength, power, muscle mass, and muscular endurance. In your case it's about muscular endurance, while in the case of those bulked up guys it's probably about strength and muscle mass. What I'm trying to say is that you're comparing apples to oranges.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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You should quote the entire paragraph. "Cardio machines are innocent enough, as they won’t actually make you any less fit, but maintaining cardiovascular fitness doesn’t really take much more than breathing uncomfortably hard for about 20 minutes, three times a week. And we all know that swimming, hoops, bike riding, and even Ultimate Frisbee can get the job done, and that treadmills or elliptical trainers are a pale…

I completely agree with you (and the article) that free weights are the way to go over machine weights. However, I completely disagree that weights are more important for general fitness than cardio. This was one of the primary claims of the article, and it wasn't backed up in any meaningful way. The part I quoted was just one illustration of the the author's attitude. His entire focus is on strength, not fitness.

What I got from the article is that it's mostly aimed towards the typical local gyms. He isn't arguing cardio is unimportant. He's saying that inside a gym the free weights are important, everything else might just be a waste of time. The full paragraph you quoted seems to be saying cardio on a treadmill in front of a T.V. is a waste when you could be getting the same cardio from a different activity (such as real running.) But, if you are going for the sorts of benefits that free weights can bring, then there really is no better alternative except perhaps in certain extreme cases such as with elite athletes. So again, the article is aimed at the inside of your typical gym, not outside it, which is where you would be doing most of your running I assume. ;)

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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The only good thing to have come from the fitness industry, though, is to make gyms much more accessible for those of us who are either not male or not fitness-educated or not hanging around with the right crowd. Before nice shiny gyms came along, there was no way I (a woman) was walking into the garage type place that looks a bit like a minimum security prison yard. However, the problem now is that although gyms are…

Just go to that dark corner. I'm a skinny guy (less skinny now), I was intimidated by that corner as well. My observation: the vast majority of those "mostly-large-males" are extremely nice, even if they do sometimes make scary faces while lifting and look like Danny Trejo. If you pick the right gym (typically in lower class neighborhoods), they might even critique your form, which is incredibly valuable.

It's a lot different being a woman. Pick the wrong gym, and there's a lot of harassment that can happen, unfortunately.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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"Humans are no longer subject to natural selection." What? Are you sure? Because we most certainly are subject to natural selection.

Yes. But not to any significant degree that will cause a change as a species.

we most certainly change as a species. Something as simple as choosing who to reproduce with affects the distribution of genes that are passed on to the next generation.

A more obvious example of the sorts of changes we can still go through is sickle cell.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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The flip side to the caveman diet is that 1) it wasn't particularly planned. They eat what they could, when they could, and 2) There was a pretty major exercise component that went along with it, in that if they didn't hunt / fish / forage, they died of starvation. The main issue with obesity is that people can easily afford to be obese and not too significantly impact their lives (aside from all health and social ma…

Numerous studies (See the first chapter of "Why we get Fat, by Taubes) have shown that Obesity is a disease of poverty. The food that keeps you lean (protein/fats) is expensive. Carbs are cheap. Poor people eat carbs. Rich people eat steak, chicken, fish. There is no significant research that shows adding exercise to an overweight person's lifestyle will significantly reduce their weight - typically just increases th…

If obesity is a disease of poverty, then how come truly poor people (e.g., the poor in India or China) are skinny?

Lack of money for food is not a cause of obesity. If your goal is to obtain 2500 calories (assuming that is what you need to maintain a healthy weight) for a little money as possible, you will consume 2500 calories of carbs. You will not become obese. If you instead consume 3500 calories and become obese, you are wasting money on 1000 extra calories. You are not constrained by cost. You could instead reduce consumption by 1000 calories, and spend the money on increasing the quality of the remaining 2500 calories.

There is no significant research that shows adding exercise to an overweight person's lifestyle will significantly reduce their weight - typically just increases their appetite.

Increasing exercise and holding consumption constant will reduce body fat. One of many studies:

http://www.duke.cardiologydomain.com/images/uploaded/dukeh/2...

Do a google scholar search. The only difficulty is that you'll find so many studies which measure additional benefits to exercise that some of the studies measuring only effect on body fat will be buried. (I.e., the majority of the articles have conclusions like "exercise reduces body fat AND increases muscle mass", "exercise reduces body fat AND breast cancer", etc).

I'm curious, did you hear this claim from Gary Taubes? The one time I read a blog post by him, I discovered him to be incredibly dishonest: http://crazybear.posterous.com/how-1-graph-reveals-what-3000...

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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If you really want to get fit, there's one easy thing you can do that actually works: Take up a sport that gets you fit as a side effect. I have two obsessions in life: Rock Climbing and Surfing. I'm pretty good at the first, and borderline hopeless at the other, but I'm committed to the point where I've arranged my life so that I can travel for months at a time to pursue one or the other each year. When I'm working…

Eat rice and what else? Rice alone is not enough. It doesn't provide vitamins like A, C and E and fats.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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I once trained for a 5k race by doing just squats. I beat most of my "cardio" friends. When you start squatting above your BW then you'll be just as out of breath after 8 reps as after a full-on 5k run. Your heart will beat just as fast, and youll be sweating about the same. Also squats will improve your bone density. Don't be fooled that suffers like Laird get their physique from surfing. All of them dead lift and s…

I mostly exercise with a barbell, including snatch and clean & jerk. It's ridiculous to claim a barbell workout will give you much aerobic endurance. I also do cycling and I assure you barbell fitness does not much carry over. It's very different metabolic pathways. I've also found the carry-over from weights to sub 400m sprint speed to be pretty weak. Come on. Barbells are not magic.

In the end its all about specialization.

A body which has been doing squats is not going to be a great runner at a professional level.

But at our "weekend warrior" levels it does very much translate. I infact did this exercise on purpose to prove to myself that squats would translate.

And it very much did increase my sprint speed.

Dont take my word for it... Email a few strength coaches - Eric Cressey, Mike Robertson. Ask their opinion.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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Something else — the feeling you get after some kind of strenuous activity that raises your heart/breathing rate. Running, for example. What you're referring to is getting the wind knocked out of you.

For what it's worth I've never heard what you describe called "winded". To me winded means getting the wind knocked out of you. I wonder if it is a regional thing.

In the northeast of the US, getting winded is breathing heavily from exertion. It implies reaching your max exertion point.

I would think the rest of the US uses it the same way, just based on talking with friends throughout the country. I'm not sure if our brethren to the north use it the same way.

Re: Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie

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These links to auto-printing pages are unacceptable. Link me to the normal display article in these cases. I'll take it from there.

and if he linked it normally, chances are someone(maybe even you) would post, bitching that they don't want to read 10 pages of an article and to just link to the print page the next time.

That's why I requested that only in these cases where the print link autoprints should the normal link be used.
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