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We always think that grass no the other side is greener, but not really. It's yellow :( It's the same with how a lot of tech folks idolize farming. In reality it's a tough job with long hours and cold weather.

I know a family that did that. We're not really in touch any more but he was a tech worker in London in the mid 00s and she was in corporate purchasing or something. A few years ago they upped and moved to Wales and operate a cattle farm, they also home-school their kids. Mostly now I see their ads for pasture-fed beef on facebook. They seem happy.

Everyone seems happy on facebook.

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I stated my career early - while I was still in high school. I went from bagging groceries and doing checkouts at a grocery store to programming for a local company my senior year of high school. I continued doing this for my first couple years of college. But then dot-bomb happened and it looked like the party was over. I looked down at the job opportunities after graduation. I didn't really want to spend the rest o…

The rpi started me on electronics, rabbitholed into manufacturing of all kinds... material science, applied chemistry.

I end up looking at nature with both my old eyes and the cold scientific ones. A piece of wood, pale shades, smooth, is also a matrix of nanoscopic sugar fibers. It's odd to confront the two point of views. Same goes for butterfly wings, or flower petals..

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Those are nice. Thanks for sharing that! I have never seen anything remotely close to that in a place of corporate employment ever. I have been doing this in the corporate world since 2006, but if you count my time as a security analyst in the military than I could push that date back to 2001. The military does force feed you (memorization verbatim) ethical standards, though, at a huge contrast to the loosey goosey c…

Those are not ethical standards or concepts. "Loyalty" and "duty" don't help evaluating if an action is good.

The values are vague intentionally so that they can be broadly applied. They are not a code of ethics but a guiding set of virtues.

The NCO Creed, however, absolutely is a code of ethics.

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I have always loved computers. I'm a millennial, and a child of the internet. I remember with fondness the day my parents upgraded to DSL in the early 2000s and what effect that had on me. Raw excitement like little I'd felt before.

Despite that, I studied Economics in university. It fit my personality as being a lover of data and 'business' but a lot more of the human side of it. I'd always loved business, and while I started out in business school, I found quickly I didn't like 'business people'. So I switched into Econ. Halfway through my economics degree, I took a course on the history of labor markets. This course made me realize I needed to learn to code to stay relevant for the rest of my life. I didn't have aspirations of doing a trade and the course and further research made me realize how vulnerable my skill set was to automation.

So I finished school and then learned to code. I did a bootcamp, and became a very junior full-stack dev. I absolutely loved programming at this point. But I still missed 'business', so I decided to mix the two and start my own software development company. I quickly figured out there is little money in building businesses websites, but plenty in building custom applications or add-ons for e-commerce businesses and focused my efforts there. I made good money, got to live and work in Europe (I'm Canadian) and overall enojyed myself for a few years.

All the while I was perfectly content in the back-end world of web development, working mostly in Ruby, Elixir and PHP. But the front-end started sneaking in. JS has a way of doing that. Soon I found myself spending more time fixing broken node packages than I was coding. Someone above me said it felt like being a carpenter, while spending 80% of the time fixing your tools. That couldn't have described how I felt any better.

Turns out, while I love programming, I hate JS and the world that node has given us. If you want to work on the web, sadly, you're often faced with dealing with it at some point or another.

At this time, I was also discovering that while I always knew I loved interacting with people, that managing remote teams and having occasional video conference calls was not enough to satisfy my extroverted personality. I was becoming lonely in my work.

So I quit. I spooled down my business, going into maintenance mode only. I've since switched into the finance industry, doing underwriting for a small private bank. I love it. I still write code. I spend a decent portion of my time optimizing our company (we're small and the board is happy with any of my tech proposals so long as I explain the value added) with technology wherever possible.

Programming is now only a small portion of my day, but I treasure it now. I still program in the evenings (Elixir Nerves is super cool!) for fun, and of course at work. But it's not my primary role. I will still get paid, even if Yarn breaks something that day.

I've since discovered that .asdf handles 90% of my dependency problems, and that the finance industry doesn't care if your app uses webpack or any javascript for that matter. Removing the need to follow or even keep up with the latest trends in web development from my life has been a breath of fresh air. I couldn't be happier.

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I have always loved computers. I'm a millennial, and a child of the internet. I remember with fondness the day my parents upgraded to DSL in the early 2000s and what effect that had on me. Raw excitement like little I'd felt before. Despite that, I studied Economics in university. It fit my personality as being a lover of data and 'business' but a lot more of the human side of it. I'd always loved business, and while…

> I remember with fondness the day my parents upgraded to DSL in the early 2000s and what effect that had on me.

You would have loved 2400 baud after using a 300 baud modem.

> Turns out, while I love programming, I hate JS and the world that node has given us.

Thank you for this. I have long suspected that this crud is bad enough to actually drive people away, right out of programming.

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To me, it sounds like their problem is they aren't introverted enough for the job (which is totally fine, but just an observation). All jobs will have x% of nonsense and y% of what you actually really enjoy doing, and I think as long as y >= 10% then you'll do okay. Honestly, I like sitting by myself and grappling with tech problems. It's nice that I'm allowed to sit inside my own head and think all day. Maybe it's b…

>If I had to interact with people all day, I would die. I have some bad news for you. As you become a more senior developer you will spend most of your time interacting with people, and a lot less time just "sitting and thinking".

I don't think it's just a pattern that's imposed on people arbitrarily, but that most people find as they get older they want and need to do more of that sort of thing.

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As a kid, I aspired to be a programmer. As an adult, I succeeded, and I stuck around for a good long while. There are a lot of reasons to like working tech, obviously: the salary, the flexible working environment, the prestige, the opportunity to build products that real people use, the chance to play with new technology, and of course working with occasionally brilliant colleagues. I tried to convince myself that th…

> I just don't really like tech people, despite the fact that I obviously am one of them.

Wow, this resonates with me. I have never liked my colleagues at any job, and I hate talking about tech with people outside of things related to work. I find tech people difficult to get along with and the conversations don't interest me. I say this knowing I could very well fit the same description but here's the thing:

I find that often tech people replace an entire personality with video games / following the latest tech releases / anything related to their job. Almost all "water cooler chat" at tech companies is what game they played on the weekend, what the latest steam sale is, what the latest tv show is, what new programming language they're learning. Like, please. Can we talk about something else?

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"because software issues can piss me off like no other thing is capable of." This in reverse is part of why I am a programmer; it can take two or three days before I'm really pissed at a software problem, but physical stuff really annoys me in mere minutes. Why? Don't really know. I know a bit of it is that I know how to get myself into trouble in software and then usually get back out much better than I do in the re…

Yes, it's much easier to hit Undo than it is to remove that bolt that you just snapped the head off, but you can't see because it's elbow deep in the engine bay. On the other hand, a screw-up can have bigger consequences when your buggy code is used by thousands of users a day.

Also, with code, you generally don't lose the pieces when you disassemble something, and if you take a break, you can pick up right where you left off...

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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I stated my career early - while I was still in high school. I went from bagging groceries and doing checkouts at a grocery store to programming for a local company my senior year of high school. I continued doing this for my first couple years of college. But then dot-bomb happened and it looked like the party was over. I looked down at the job opportunities after graduation. I didn't really want to spend the rest o…

What town were you closest to? I grew up in Bozeman and spent a reasonable amount of time in the west side of the park.

I was stationed out of south entrance (Snake River district). Closest town was Jackson, Wyoming. There was a small convenience store at Flagg Ranch about 4 miles away, but anything you couldn’t get there required driving to Jackson.

About once a month I’d go to Sams in Idaho Falls, which was usually an all-day trip.

I’ve been up through Bozeman before. Beautiful area!

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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As a kid, I aspired to be a programmer. As an adult, I succeeded, and I stuck around for a good long while. There are a lot of reasons to like working tech, obviously: the salary, the flexible working environment, the prestige, the opportunity to build products that real people use, the chance to play with new technology, and of course working with occasionally brilliant colleagues. I tried to convince myself that th…

> I just don't really like tech people, despite the fact that I obviously am one of them. Wow, this resonates with me. I have never liked my colleagues at any job, and I hate talking about tech with people outside of things related to work. I find tech people difficult to get along with and the conversations don't interest me. I say this knowing I could very well fit the same description but here's the thing: I find…

I can handle the shop-talk, but what bothers me about tech-guys (I've never had problems with female co-workers) is that they have their self-worth tangled up with their being the most-correct. They just can't handle being disagreed with.
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