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Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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> Webstaurant would ship a pallet of flour, 50 bags of 50lbs each, for $1,081 or $0.43/lb. > Unfortunately, between placing the order and them shipping it they ran out of stock Insanity! I'm heartened that people are still baking at home though. For comparison, retail King Arthur All-Purpose flour goes for about $3.69 for 5lbs, or $0.73/lb, so at $0.56/lb Sir Galahad flour is still a bargain. Whole wheat flour has br…

I question how many people are actually using the flour they're hoarding, and how many are just putting it in the back of the pantry because, "When the end of the world comes, you'll need flour!" It's very irritating for those of us who actually bake on a regular basis and resisted the temptation to hoard for hoarding's sake.

I've been baking bread under quarantine when I haven't in the past been a baker on a regular basis. What it does is allow me to extend the time between grocery store visits; the usual choice is to buy less frozen food so I can store a loaf or two of bread in the freezer, instead I can fill my freezer and bake when my bread runs out.

I'm doing this quite explicitly - on my last shopping trip I bought one loaf that went straight into the breadbox. When it is gone it will be replaced by a baked loaf.

I don't know if this thinking is common, but obviously extending the time between grocery store visits is a good thing.

tangentially related: I think there's been a lot of unwarranted gleeful bashing of people as universal stockpilers when I suspect that most of this is a tempo/timing thing (which easily destroys a JIT supply chain.) It's not that most people were stockpiling unnecessarily, it's that everybody was shopping at the same time, and fully stocking their larder rather than doing it as casually as they usually would. The special cases of particular staples like toilet paper were intensely covered by the media, IMO creating the hoarding of those staples. In normal times, if I have three rolls of toilet paper at home and I'm at the grocery store, unless a sale jumps out at me I'm probably not going to buy - I only buy when I'm critically low. In current times, that would be a bad move that would result in a special trip just for TP (which would be trivial in normal times.) Not buying the largest size of TP available (which is only around $20) seems reckless under the circumstances. If I hear that people are stockpiling, I might want to buy more than one for fear that when I need TP, I might have to travel from store to store to find it, exposing myself even more.

I'm saying this as somebody who always buys the largest size unless there's a sale that makes a smaller size cheaper by sheet, went shopping a couple of weeks before any quarantines were announced, and therefore hasn't had to buy any during the pandemic. The fact that I was able to make it 5 weeks on what I had at home before going out again was a comfort.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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Thanks for this. I am going to try your recipe. Few months back we bought Waffle maker with great expectations. However after 2 disastrous attempts which resulted in very stogy waffles, we put that away. I was wondering should if we just buy some readymade batter that some stores sell.

Waffle makers also produce phenomenal cornbread (or cornwaffles) in minutes. Otherwise it's an appliance that doesn't get much use around lunch/dinner time.

I'll happily eat cornbread at any meal

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#94
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This isn't really a political point as much as an observation, but... the people in this country who have the worst compensation and benefits are the ones who are involved in the harvesting and preparation of our food. To this point, the supply chain hasn't been too badly affected because poor people need to work to survive and so they'll go to work sick. But now COVID has spread all over the place, and people who ar…

There is not a shortage of people who have very little money and will take risks.

One of the reasons why it is so unethical to rely so heavily on streams of undocumented immigrants

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#95
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I think big supermarkers are making things worse at the moment. It was very hard to get basic supplies and food when all small shops were ordered to close, and only big supermarkets were kept open, and supplied by organised convoys. This appears to be rational at first, but it only led to people all rushing to those few supermarkets the moment the convoy arrives, and them being emptied clean by first 50 something peo…

In North America are non-supermarkets and non-warehouses even 5% of grocery retail? I think that restaurants being allowed to sell groceries would've been cool. But I don't see how mom and pop grocers move the needle at all here.

It's different in the cities. Especially large ones with reasonable immigrant communities. In Toronto, for example, a very sizeable portion of our grocery retail is via small grocers. The prices are cheaper (they source from small farms that supermarkets can't logistically coordinate with) and the quality (especially flavour, but often shelf life too) is almost always better. There are also clusters of small grocers like Kensington Market where rare foods are available that you just can't get at a supermarket. Rare spices, cheeses, or even a real thick, old fashion greek yogurt (perfect for home made tzatziki). The one thing that the small grocers skimp on is presentation though. The fruits and veggies are less shiny or less washed.

But in smaller towns in North America it's getting rarer and rarer to see even an independent butchery, let alone veggie market or bakery.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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This isn't really a political point as much as an observation, but... the people in this country who have the worst compensation and benefits are the ones who are involved in the harvesting and preparation of our food. To this point, the supply chain hasn't been too badly affected because poor people need to work to survive and so they'll go to work sick. But now COVID has spread all over the place, and people who ar…

I think that maybe a worse (or at least more widespread) part of this is that these are the people least likely to have good or any health insurance, and if they get sick enough to get hospitalized, they're probably facing a $20K bill. There's a lot of media lip service about non-medical essential personnel (a lot of horrid "thank you for your service" to people who have no choice in the matter but to starve) but no state effort in the US to (at a minimum) cover their bills or (additionally) to supplement their pay for risking their and their families' health. While we're ignoring them, we're passing stimulus bills to help bail out stockholders.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#97
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> Webstaurant would ship a pallet of flour, 50 bags of 50lbs each, for $1,081 or $0.43/lb. > Unfortunately, between placing the order and them shipping it they ran out of stock Insanity! I'm heartened that people are still baking at home though. For comparison, retail King Arthur All-Purpose flour goes for about $3.69 for 5lbs, or $0.73/lb, so at $0.56/lb Sir Galahad flour is still a bargain. Whole wheat flour has br…

Store brand flour though is only $0.40 / lb (5 lb bag @ $2) so this really only makes sense of you can't obtain flour another way. Once you add in labor of splitting it up and billing everyone it seems like too much effort. Fwiw, it seems like the bread supply recovered very quickly.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#98

There used to be a startup "Mercado" in the dot com days where consumers could form buyer's groups. It worked well for a while until the downturn.

Massdrop (drop.com) had a similar model, but they seem to be in the process of becoming a more traditional retailer.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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It is surprising to me that the West has hit food security issues earlier than Asia. The food supply chain in US is much better than in Europe, and Europe is better than most of Asia. A week ago, I was very scared myself for there being a 21st century famine in Asia, but I never could've imagined how bad panic buying can hit countries even with robust food supply chains.

These aren't food security issues, these are supply chain issues.

The difference is enormous, and it's far too soon to relax about famine. We'll know if that happened by about 2023.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#100
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think big supermarkers are making things worse at the moment. It was very hard to get basic supplies and food when all small shops were ordered to close, and only big supermarkets were kept open, and supplied by organised convoys. This appears to be rational at first, but it only led to people all rushing to those few supermarkets the moment the convoy arrives, and them being emptied clean by first 50 something peo…

In North America are non-supermarkets and non-warehouses even 5% of grocery retail? I think that restaurants being allowed to sell groceries would've been cool. But I don't see how mom and pop grocers move the needle at all here.

> I think that restaurants being allowed to sell groceries would've been cool.

At least one restaurant chain already is:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/tomball/busine...

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