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Wildlife collapse from climate change is predicted to hit suddenly and sooner

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Re: Wildlife collapse from climate change is predicted to hit suddenly and sooner

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Post by vlan0 »

hyperman1 wrote: post #4

These articles scare me. Another one with exactly the same message: Things are worse than we thought, it was already bad, we are not coming close to doing enough to save us, there isn't even much of a plan. And then I see most of the west handling covid-19 just like we handle everything: No clear direction, minimal effort, leaders asleep at the wheel, politicians trying to get the better of each other, rich people ge…

>So how do we proceed from here?

I don't think we do. Just in the USA alone, the number of people making extremely selfish decisions during the pandemic is quite alarming. People cannot make the choice for the greater good when the danger is staring them in the face.

It does not give me a inkling of hope that we will do what is collectively beneficial for the masses when it comes to climate change. People are just too damn blinded by their selfishness. Makes me fucking sick.

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Post by vkou »

monadic2 wrote: post #10
hyperman1 wrote: post #4

These articles scare me. Another one with exactly the same message: Things are worse than we thought, it was already bad, we are not coming close to doing enough to save us, there isn't even much of a plan. And then I see most of the west handling covid-19 just like we handle everything: No clear direction, minimal effort, leaders asleep at the wheel, politicians trying to get the better of each other, rich people ge…

> Climate was an important theme in our last elections, but even the green party had no clue whatsoever, and the voters made it clear they did not even remotely care. Climate should have been an important theme, but because there seemed to be little coverage or comparison of climate change policy, I can’t blame the voters for not factoring it into their decisions. Why was there no DNC-hosted climate change debate? Th…

Because the DNC exists to represent the interests of people who want to see a climate collapse.

Some of the democratic candidates don't share that view, but the party leaders do.

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Post by perfunctory »

yters wrote: post #9
perfunctory wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So how do we proceed from here? Like we always do when our leaders fail us. Organise and rebel.

So on top of environmental collapse we can have social collapse as well? Sounds like a recipe for success.

Rebellions are sometimes the only recipe for success. Think about Women's suffrage movement, civil rights movement, anti war movements etc.

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Post by sevencolors »

hyperman1 wrote: post #4

These articles scare me. Another one with exactly the same message: Things are worse than we thought, it was already bad, we are not coming close to doing enough to save us, there isn't even much of a plan. And then I see most of the west handling covid-19 just like we handle everything: No clear direction, minimal effort, leaders asleep at the wheel, politicians trying to get the better of each other, rich people ge…

I feel like that folks might finally be able to grasp the value in changing our ways. These photos are pretty dramatic. Seeing these changes could help push more folks to care and speak up. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/11/positive...

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Post by mellow2020 »

yters wrote: post #9
perfunctory wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So how do we proceed from here? Like we always do when our leaders fail us. Organise and rebel.

So on top of environmental collapse we can have social collapse as well? Sounds like a recipe for success.

Standing up is the opposite of collapse. Failure to stand up is required for the collapse to go ahead.

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Post by pstuart »

hyperman1 wrote: post #4

These articles scare me. Another one with exactly the same message: Things are worse than we thought, it was already bad, we are not coming close to doing enough to save us, there isn't even much of a plan. And then I see most of the west handling covid-19 just like we handle everything: No clear direction, minimal effort, leaders asleep at the wheel, politicians trying to get the better of each other, rich people ge…

These articles also scare me, as well as make my angry because we collectively could be doing so much to mitigate this.

A key problem is that political division has been weaponized, and a good chunk of the population doesn't believe in these threats because it's a "liberal conspiracy". Currently the US federal government is being helmed by these very same people.

I don't know if there is a solution that is available, but I think part of it is to develop messaging that can point to solutions that "the average person" can both understand and feel some stake in its implementation and success.

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Post by pstuart »

vkou wrote: post #12
monadic2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Climate was an important theme in our last elections, but even the green party had no clue whatsoever, and the voters made it clear they did not even remotely care. Climate should have been an important theme, but because there seemed to be little coverage or comparison of climate change policy, I can’t blame the voters for not factoring it into their decisions. Why was there no DNC-hosted climate change debate? Th…

Because the DNC exists to represent the interests of people who want to see a climate collapse. Some of the democratic candidates don't share that view, but the party leaders do.

I have no love for the DNC but I think that their interests go no deeper than currying favor for their corporate patrons.

"Ordinary" democrats by and large do care about climate change.

On the other side of the aisle, it's easy to see disregard for the science in both leadership and party members. Among that population is a significant chunk that is deeply religious and looking forward to the apocalypse.

I may get hate for this comment, but it's meant as a summary assessment of position, not of judgement (which I am happy to share in other contexts).

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Post by cultus »

yters wrote: post #9
perfunctory wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So how do we proceed from here? Like we always do when our leaders fail us. Organise and rebel.

So on top of environmental collapse we can have social collapse as well? Sounds like a recipe for success.

A social collapse would coincide with an economic collapse and lower emissions. Honestly, speaking as a former climate change-adjacent geophysicist, I'd take it.

It is becoming fairly clear we will have revolutions. At some point, things will deteriorate to the point it will happen. Normalcy bias is a hell of a drug, and we are all sniffing it really hard.

The ruling class is unwilling and unable to solve this or any other wide-scale societal problem we have. Ruling classes never yield power without force.

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