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Post by CydeWeys »

malandrew wrote: post #455
dkobran wrote: post #191

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The US, like the UK, did a terrible job early on when containment was most critical. Several states are in lockdown now but arguably, the reason for our awful current new cases/death rate is due to the resistance to taking action in February when it first hit. There are also many places in the US that are not in lockdown. From another comment: “Approximately 44 of 50 states have lower per capita death rates than Swed…

> the reason for our awful current new cases/death rate is due to the resistance to taking action in February when it first hit. The reason is actually NYC, specifically Cuomo and DiBlasio passing the buck back and forth and doing nothing. If you remove just NYC, the rest of the country is for the most part doing a lot better than Europe.

It's even worse than that, de Blasio was basically in denial and wasn't doing anything, even through mid-March when cases were exponentially skyrocketing here. It took all the heads of his public health department threatening to resign for him to actually start doing things, and the idiot even went to his gym on the last day that gyms were even open.

Both he and Cuomo took way too late to act, and now we're all suffering for it. Cuomo has since at least gotten better, but de Blasio has been terrible throughout.

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Post by easytiger »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #368
easytiger wrote: post #344

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Well there would have to be some wrongdoing to be proven.

> there would have to be some wrongdoing to be proven Are you claiming the extensive evidence brought in numerous cases across the country against Purdue and the Sackler family, accepted in many cases by juries and judges, has not done that?

I was asking what it was. I'm in the UK and am not familiar with this issue despite the same medication being available here

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Post by renewiltord »

simtel20 wrote: post #257
renewiltord wrote: post #93

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That sounds like a foolish use of my time when I can simply watch other people do it for me. And I want a greater difference between me and them. I want them to be wrong and for me to be right. This only helps.

I can only see this being the case if you exist in a community which is a zero-sum competition for resources. This is not the world as I understand it, and I can't understand why you thinks this helps.

It’s the model most practise, except I do so knowingly. I’m Not against information sharing. It’s just that I do so in a parochially altruistic manner.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature04981

Besides we all know everyone will gladly partake in a negative sum game if it means they come out better. I just do that knowingly. That is, if other participants have x and I have y, I will gladly take actions that lead to long-term effects of me having y+delta and them having x-epsilon even if delta A practical example is that I will often share stuff I know better than others but I won’t try too hard to convince them.

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Post by Lewton »

magsnus wrote: post #518
Lewton wrote: post #512

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15% of deaths happened in the past 24 hours, that's not a flattening of the curve Maybe you're being fooled by the lack of reported deaths in the weekends in Sweden? It does mess up the curve quite a bit. But it's been like that every weekend if you look at daily deaths. And it makes the log graph look less exponential than it is Also the log graph is a day behind the reported numbers, so tomorrow you'll see a sharp…

So last tuesday they reported 114 deaths yesterday they reported 114 deaths. You can't be seriously looking at the bar graph of daily deaths and see an exponential growth. If anything it seems to have stagnated. Yes we underreport during the weekend and overreport the first days after the weekend and monday was a holiday for us. But it is clear as day if you look at the logarithmic chart over deaths that our growth i…

Similar cherry-picking leads to: Last wednesday 96 deaths happened, which was around 15% of total deaths at the time. And this wednesday 170 is reported, which is around 15% of total deaths now. That's exponential growth

You are right though, given the numbers there's decent likelihood that it's stagnating. But there's also a decent risk that it's still exponential

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Post by DuskStar »

CydeWeys wrote: post #517
DuskStar wrote: post #511

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My reading is that either restrictions were sufficient before, or the new ones won't be enough either . And the more onerous the restrictions, the less likely it is that people will be willing to follow the important ones in the future.

It doesn't logically follow that just because mild restrictions weren't sufficient, that stricter restrictions won't be. China used very strict restrictions and they stopped the spread of the disease hard . Every incremental improvement you can do to decrease the R_0 will have its effect. Progressively stricter social distancing measures as required absolutely will work, so long as they are being obeyed anyway.

> so long as they are being obeyed anyway.

And that's MY point. How long will people be willing to obey the current restrictions? How long would they be willing to obey even stricter ones, or more lenient ones?

I don't think obedience can be assumed forever. Even China had to weld people inside their apartment buildings. And I don't know if that would be practical here.

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Post by DuskStar »

CydeWeys wrote: post #519
avisser wrote: post #437

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> it's hard to maintain social distancing while doing it because the way the crews operate I have no idea how to quantify it, but social distancing at a grocery store, surrounded by an ever-rotating group of people, seems much more risky than a work-crew, which is composed of the same 6 people all day.

The work crews are hanging out all day every day, whereas you do your grocery shopping once a week maximum, for less than an hour, and everyone wears a mask to reduce the chance of spreading anything. On the work crew, if one person gets it, basically everyone else on the crew is guaranteed to get it too. In the grocery store, a single visit, especially with proper precautions taken, is unlikely to spread it.

But the grocery store workers are there all the time, and interacting with a wide variety of people. Sure, the chance per person is lower - but overall?

And the spread on a work crew is limited - there's only 6 people there. But that grocery store worker? Can you define super spreading event?

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Post by renewiltord »

stronglikedan wrote: post #479
streb-lo wrote: post #412

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The journalists are just doing what their employer asks them too. Their employer is trying to sell papers/clicks. No enough people are willing to pony up for good journalism like the parent comment -- I'm generalizing but most people don't even like to read long form journalism anymore. If we want to know why journalism sucks we need to look in the mirror.

When I look in the mirror, I don't see someone wanting clearly biased, opinionated, decontextualized, or downright unfacts, trying to be spun as news, with zero retractions or apologies when it's called out. Those are the reasons journalism sucks, and it has nothing to do with what I see in my mirror.

It’s a collective mirror and what we believe we ‘want’ is less important than our revealed preference.

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Post by banads »

CydeWeys wrote: post #481
DeathArrow wrote: post #377

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Until then people might learn that an online experience without ads is possible.

The current online experience is not remotely possible without ads. I'm willing to wager that the vast majority of content that you consume online is advertising supported, not directly supported by you. All of that is gonna start going away without advertising revenue.

>The current online experience is not remotely possible without ads

The current online experience is horrendous because of the ad industry.

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Post by magsnus »

Lewton wrote: post #524
magsnus wrote: post #518

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So last tuesday they reported 114 deaths yesterday they reported 114 deaths. You can't be seriously looking at the bar graph of daily deaths and see an exponential growth. If anything it seems to have stagnated. Yes we underreport during the weekend and overreport the first days after the weekend and monday was a holiday for us. But it is clear as day if you look at the logarithmic chart over deaths that our growth i…

Similar cherry-picking leads to: Last wednesday 96 deaths happened, which was around 15% of total deaths at the time. And this wednesday 170 is reported, which is around 15% of total deaths now. That's exponential growth You are right though, given the numbers there's decent likelihood that it's stagnating. But there's also a decent risk that it's still exponential

Again, 3 day weekend...

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Post by ummonk »

rgovostes wrote: post #125

The LA Times's investigation into Purdue Pharma in 2016 revealed internal Purdue documents demonstrating the company's culpability in fueling the opioid crisis. > The documents provide a detailed picture of the development and marketing of OxyContin, how Purdue executives responded to complaints that its effects wear off early, and their fears about the financial impact of any departure from 12-hour dosing. I don't h…

I’ve always wished I could directly pay for investigative journalism instead of having to pay for opinion writing as well.
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