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L.A. Times to Furlough Workers as Ad Revenue ‘Nearly Eliminated’

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Post by C4stor »

_ea1k wrote: post #418
jacobolus wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> other countries haven't locked down hard and aren't seeing a big spread Let’s be precise. Some other countries haven’t locked down hard and aren’t seeing a big spread yet . You mentioned Sweden. Here was Time a few days ago: > A head doctor at a major hospital in Sweden says the current approach will “probably end in a historical massacre.” He says healthcare workers at his hospital who have tested positive for the…

I keep hearing these stories about how Sweden's approach will end in disaster, but their new case rate is ~500 per day with >10,000 existing cases. A 5% growth rate of new cases strongly implies that they are already past the peak. What am I missing that would imply things are about to get vastly worse there? (I do see some other specific mistakes there that lead to a higher death rate, but I don't see the concern ab…

Existing cases counts are at worst fantasist, at best state and policy dependent. You can't compare case counts between countries.

Then what you're missing is that sweden case counting method report very low numbers (either that or their mortality rate is absurdly high, which seems more unlikely).

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Post by iso1631 »

malandrew wrote: post #457
CydeWeys wrote: post #417

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One can also argue that the virus doesn't care about your ethnicity, and just because it's hit some particular community hard first doesn't mean it's not going to spread through the rest of your society too absent serious measures being taken. In the US, focusing on the "others" who had the virus, in our case the Chinese, while not taking effective measures early enough to stop the disease, was a huge mistake. It was…

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/us/coronavirus-race.html

How much of that is related to a higher percentage of black people doing more dangerous jobs (one with increased contact with the public)

Of the three people they mention in the article, two take buses.

There's not even an attempt to control. Are black judges living in Westchester statistically more likely than white judges living in Westchester to suffer more from the disease?

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Post by gnzoidberg »

jrumbut wrote: post #436
rgovostes wrote: post #125

The LA Times's investigation into Purdue Pharma in 2016 revealed internal Purdue documents demonstrating the company's culpability in fueling the opioid crisis. > The documents provide a detailed picture of the development and marketing of OxyContin, how Purdue executives responded to complaints that its effects wear off early, and their fears about the financial impact of any departure from 12-hour dosing. I don't h…

I think there is a lot to this idea. I've wondered whether something like the False Claims Act ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Claims_Act ) could be expanded or modified (or just used) to fund journalism. Not perfect by any means but it would protect one of the most important functions of the papers.

Absolutely not. Do you want to directly reward newspapers for attacking individuals and companies? I'm sure that's going to end well.

That would be a perverse incentive. Right now the link is very loose and that's fine.

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Post by mcculley »

Are newspapers going to start selling subscriptions without advertisements and trackers? I would love to pay for one. I recently canceled my subscription to my local paper over the unnecessary tracking: https://twitter.com/mcculley/status/1247247733133660160

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Post by thu2111 »

adrr wrote: post #386
GnarfGnarf wrote: post #361

Why has no one developed a news subscription service yet? I want to be able to pay 50¢ here or $1 there for an interesting article from NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Bloomberg, The Guardian, The New Yorker etc., without paying for a subscription. I can't afford to subscribe to all of them. There are not enough hours in the day for getting a return on my investment. New York Times $50/yr Wall Street Journal $100 Bloomberg $420 LA T…

People pay $1200/yr for cable tv but don't want pay a couple hundred dollars a year for news. Thats the real problem, people don't value quality journalism.

Most people get far more enjoyment out of general TV than the news.

As for journalism being quality, well, I subscribe to a newspaper but sometimes I wonder why. For any claims of importance I'm always cross checking what they say and often they're lagging behind what I can find on blogs or other sources, or even just Reuters for that matter.

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Post by magsnus »

blaser-waffle wrote: post #394
xhkkffbf wrote: post #14

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I think Google and Facebook are going to deliver a very surprising result.

Wait until the political ads start to pick up the slack. Cheap ad space and a serious need to own the libs? You better believe we'll be seeing the propaganda machine roll out in the next ~6 months.

aren't "the libs" outspending trump atleast 2:1?

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Post by zo1 »

adrr wrote: post #386
GnarfGnarf wrote: post #361

Why has no one developed a news subscription service yet? I want to be able to pay 50¢ here or $1 there for an interesting article from NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Bloomberg, The Guardian, The New Yorker etc., without paying for a subscription. I can't afford to subscribe to all of them. There are not enough hours in the day for getting a return on my investment. New York Times $50/yr Wall Street Journal $100 Bloomberg $420 LA T…

People pay $1200/yr for cable tv but don't want pay a couple hundred dollars a year for news. Thats the real problem, people don't value quality journalism.

I think it quite odd that no one wants to jump on this as a "market failure" that needs to be fixed with a government program or monopoly.

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Post by adequateness »

torpfactory wrote: post #41
tempsy wrote: post #26

I’m definitely in the camp that “the cure cannot be worse than the disease” itself. Sitting in California where there are so few cases makes me wonder if the economic toll is totally worth it. Seems like we’ve used a tsunami to put out a campfire.

If you act early, it will always appear you overreacted. If you act too late, well... https://www.nytimes.com/video/opinion/100000007076660/corona...

When you enact a bad policy, you can always claim it would have been worse if you hadn't acted. It's not like we can go back in time and see what would happen if the policy wasn't enacted.

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Post by bobthepanda »

gnzoidberg wrote: post #493
jrumbut wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is a lot to this idea. I've wondered whether something like the False Claims Act ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Claims_Act ) could be expanded or modified (or just used) to fund journalism. Not perfect by any means but it would protect one of the most important functions of the papers.

Absolutely not. Do you want to directly reward newspapers for attacking individuals and companies? I'm sure that's going to end well. That would be a perverse incentive. Right now the link is very loose and that's fine.

Yeah, this could easily incentivize unethical behavior like the phone hacking scandal in the UK: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_International_phone_hac...

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Post by magsnus »

CydeWeys wrote: post #151
williamstein wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden's number of confirmed cases is not in full exponential growth right now. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

They've fallen behind in testing capacity, like many others. You have to go by hospitalizations and confirmed deaths because those are the only stats likely not to be underreported too badly.

Exactly, look at the logarithmic curve of deaths and you see a clear flattening so no "exponential growth" as you where saying.
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