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Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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I’ve thought about buying one of those big sacks of flour—I bake bread and other stuff routinely, so I know I’d use it up eventually. I mean, I just got a half-pound of vanilla beans. But storage becomes an issue. I’m already struggling a bit to find places for the extra stocking up.

Even something like flour doesn't really last forever--especially if you don't have ideal storage conditions. Maybe you bake enough though.

make lots of hardtack

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#32
post #12

> Webstaurant would ship a pallet of flour, 50 bags of 50lbs each, for $1,081 or $0.43/lb. > Unfortunately, between placing the order and them shipping it they ran out of stock Insanity! I'm heartened that people are still baking at home though. For comparison, retail King Arthur All-Purpose flour goes for about $3.69 for 5lbs, or $0.73/lb, so at $0.56/lb Sir Galahad flour is still a bargain. Whole wheat flour has br…

Also, just because a flour is labeled high-gluten doesn't necessarily mean that it actually has more gluten than all-purpose flour. It varies by company and country. A percent in either direction isn't going to affect much. Even though cake flour has about half the gluten of all-purpose, you can still make noodles out of it.

You certainly can make noodles with cake flour, but I think decent noodles need at least 50% durum flour even when you're using eggs.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to see how going to the normal location when looking for an item can be called "stupidity".

I think the stupidity refered to here are the people buying pallets full of toilet paper.

How many people are really buying "pallets"? It's probably more like people picking up another one of those big 18-roll packages even though they're not at the point yet where they would stock up under normal circumstances. And that adds up to a lot (of a bulky product) in the aggregate.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#34
post #23

Otherwise known as a Food Buying Club. basic idea is you get enough people together to create a wholesale account with a distributor. Get your order and split it up between the members. Hippies and other Frugal people have been doing this forever (in my world forever, I grew up going to them).

Niche hobby communities do this all the time.

The mechanical keyboard community wouldn't exist without group buys, they rely on them to hit minimum order quantities from producers of custom keycaps, PCBs, and other manufactured items. These are then shipped to proxy vendors around the world who do last-mile shipping to end users.

Homebrew clubs also put in wholesale orders for raw materials like yeast, grain, and hops. These are usually more localized given the large volumes involved, and involve a physical meetup where the goods are repackaged and distributed to the buyers.

I daresay there are more groups like this (home bakers maybe?) but they're largely invisible outside their own circles.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#35
post #10

Our grocery chain has been buying rice and flour in bulk from restaurant supply houses and repackaging them in 1lb bags. Pretty agile if you ask me.

I've seen my local supermarket doing that with toilet paper recently. They were out for as long as everyone else and now there are these massive blank cardboard crates filled with individually wrapped rolls like you would see in a hotel or office. So some clever buyer got creative with the supply chain which is awesome. Meanwhile, my local Target is still sold out...

One of the local stores here in northern NJ has started doing that as well. They are doing the same with facial tissues.

Smaller stores are likely more agile in this respect, because they don't need to rely on the items having bar codes and entries in their central inventory system. That's what tends to hamstring large, centralized retailers.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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I’ve thought about buying one of those big sacks of flour—I bake bread and other stuff routinely, so I know I’d use it up eventually. I mean, I just got a half-pound of vanilla beans. But storage becomes an issue. I’m already struggling a bit to find places for the extra stocking up.

My parents always purchased 25lb bags of flour from a local food distributor, and stored it in a 5 or 10lb plastic bucket. They baked a lot growing up, so they went through it quick enough that spoilage wasn't really an issue.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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post #15
post #2

I hope we strengthen and cross link our food supply chains on a local and regional basis like this more in the future. Having most everyone in a city or neighborhood buying from a single chainlink or two isn’t a very resilient system, nor does it make for very efficient markets. Commodities like flour should be available sort of like data on ipfs; the problem is, of course, trust and risk of tampering. Hopefully it w…

I think you just invented grocery stores

No. Everyone in my vicinity buys their non-restaurant food from 2-3 grocery stores. I am talking about having the community's food supply be provided by more suppliers, and each other, p2p style. Perhaps a data-driven "farmer's market" style setup.

Distributed, not just hub-and-spoke decentralized. We just watched the failure mode of that one.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#38
post #10

Our grocery chain has been buying rice and flour in bulk from restaurant supply houses and repackaging them in 1lb bags. Pretty agile if you ask me.

Used to do this when I worked at an agricultural supply company, spent many an hour in the warehouse filling consumer-sized bags of ag-grade fertilizer from a jury-rigged hopper. Probably paid my summer's salary with only a couple days of that work, you could resell 5 cents worth of fertilizer for $20. Apparently made your lawn grass grow like weeds.

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

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post #34
post #23

Otherwise known as a Food Buying Club. basic idea is you get enough people together to create a wholesale account with a distributor. Get your order and split it up between the members. Hippies and other Frugal people have been doing this forever (in my world forever, I grew up going to them).

Niche hobby communities do this all the time. The mechanical keyboard community wouldn't exist without group buys, they rely on them to hit minimum order quantities from producers of custom keycaps, PCBs, and other manufactured items. These are then shipped to proxy vendors around the world who do last-mile shipping to end users. Homebrew clubs also put in wholesale orders for raw materials like yeast, grain, and hop…

This is kind of the point behind drop.com, no?

Re: Organizing a Group Buy of Flour

#40
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the stupidity refered to here are the people buying pallets full of toilet paper.

How many people are really buying "pallets"? It's probably more like people picking up another one of those big 18-roll packages even though they're not at the point yet where they would stock up under normal circumstances. And that adds up to a lot (of a bulky product) in the aggregate.

While not pallets, I have read anecdotal reports here in NJ that stores are selling out of toilet paper within hours after opening following a restock, so it seems to be more than just buying an extra package every time someone goes to the store.

The only way I have been able to get any since this started is the store I mentioned elsewhere that is selling individual institutional rolls.

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