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Post by GnarfGnarf »

donohoe wrote: post #391
GnarfGnarf wrote: post #361

Why has no one developed a news subscription service yet? I want to be able to pay 50¢ here or $1 there for an interesting article from NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Bloomberg, The Guardian, The New Yorker etc., without paying for a subscription. I can't afford to subscribe to all of them. There are not enough hours in the day for getting a return on my investment. New York Times $50/yr Wall Street Journal $100 Bloomberg $420 LA T…

Its been tried many times. They usually fail. This one, Scroll, looks promising: https://scroll.com/

Looks good, $5/mo., perfectly reasonable. I recognize some big names. However, no NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Bloomberg, etc.

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

frockington1 wrote: post #306
Ensorceled wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calculations for operating "business as usual" in the USA gave ranges from 1.7 to 5 million dead with extremes of 4-8% death rate (13+ million). This is based on a collapsed health care system causing the vast majority of cases requiring ventilators to result in death. Roll two die, if you roll snake eyes you would die. But, in my experience, most people saying things like "cure cannot be worse than the disease" are…

I remember people screaming that it would be worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor two weeks ago. Still waiting on anything that level of sheer panic and pandemonium. Sadly I don't think anyone is going to be willing to admit they were wrong anytime soon.

25,832 deaths in the US from COVID-19 isn't really all that bad, huh?

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Post by selimthegrim »

donohoe wrote: post #391
GnarfGnarf wrote: post #361

Why has no one developed a news subscription service yet? I want to be able to pay 50¢ here or $1 there for an interesting article from NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Bloomberg, The Guardian, The New Yorker etc., without paying for a subscription. I can't afford to subscribe to all of them. There are not enough hours in the day for getting a return on my investment. New York Times $50/yr Wall Street Journal $100 Bloomberg $420 LA T…

Its been tried many times. They usually fail. This one, Scroll, looks promising: https://scroll.com/

For a second I thought they were related to https://scroll.in

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Post by CydeWeys »

adventured wrote: post #187
CydeWeys wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has a mandatory stay-at-home order, and they issued it earlier in their outbreak than we did in theirs. That explains why they're doing so well. In South Korea they all gravitated to masks very early, and they developed enough testing capacity early on to allow contact tracing to remain viable (so far).

Australia is outside of the Covid Belt of temperatures that is ideal for SARS-CoV-2 transmission. Australia is spared for the same reason most of Latin America, most of Africa and hotter climates in Asia have been. Nigeria, Egypt, Mexico, Argentina, Colombia, Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand don't have such low death rates because they've been running testing at the rate of Germany and doing tracing & lockdown & testi…

There is no such thing as "Covid belt of temperatures". Please provide reliable sources. This is just your pet hypothesis.

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Post by CydeWeys »

watertom wrote: post #203
thaumaturgy wrote: post #35

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It's been very hard for me to understand this line of thinking. As I see it, there are so few cases in California because of the measures that have been taken. Do you think California would not have many more cases if the measures were relaxed? Or do you think that the cases would not be all that bad? Or do you think that they would only affect people that you aren't personally concerned about? I'm asking honestly fo…

I’ve participated in Homeland Security pandemic exercises. One in particular had a R0 of about 2, and a death rate of 1.3%, with a hospitalization rate of 10%, and and acute care rate of 3%. All numbers lower than CoVID-19. What happened in the exercise was that all hospitals got over run, very quickly, it took months for the infection rates to flatten. Nobody could get into a hospital and get any proper care, entire…

I agree with your point in general, but this claim is overblown:

> If we respond to COVID-19 like we do with the flu, we could see 150-200 million infected because it spreads more easily, those numbers would overwhelm the country, maybe have 20-35 Million dead

Even without any medical treatment at all, the death rate from COVID-19 is much lower than 13%. It might even be below 1%, once you factor in all the asymptomatic cases that we're only just starting to discover from blood antibody testing. So we're still talking about millions of deaths, which would be absolutely horrible enough in its own right, but we're not looking at double digit death numbers. COVID-19 fortunately isn't that deadly. Other diseases are though ... so in a way, as bad as this seems, we did still get somewhat lucky.

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Post by jrumbut »

rgovostes wrote: post #125

The LA Times's investigation into Purdue Pharma in 2016 revealed internal Purdue documents demonstrating the company's culpability in fueling the opioid crisis. > The documents provide a detailed picture of the development and marketing of OxyContin, how Purdue executives responded to complaints that its effects wear off early, and their fears about the financial impact of any departure from 12-hour dosing. I don't h…

I think there is a lot to this idea. I've wondered whether something like the False Claims Act (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Claims_Act) could be expanded or modified (or just used) to fund journalism.

Not perfect by any means but it would protect one of the most important functions of the papers.

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Post by avisser »

CydeWeys wrote: post #163
DuskStar wrote: post #144

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And at least in Michigan, they're not taking the time to open up low risk businesses now - instead they're filling in even more of the gaps that allowed life to continue. No golf courses, even without any staff contact. No landscaping. No landscaping supplies . No motorboats or jet skis. No travel between two residences you own. But at least you can still buy lottery tickets!

Some of these can be explained at least. Landscaping is very non-essential, and it's hard to maintain social distancing while doing it because the way the crews operate is it's a bunch of guys riding together in one truck between each job sites (it's not a caravan of different vehicles, one per vehicle). Additionally, my mom has been complaining about the landscapers where she lives and is angry that they're still al…

> it's hard to maintain social distancing while doing it because the way the crews operate

I have no idea how to quantify it, but social distancing at a grocery store, surrounded by an ever-rotating group of people, seems much more risky than a work-crew, which is composed of the same 6 people all day.

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Post by CydeWeys »

_ph_ wrote: post #315
nathanlied wrote: post #107

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Sweden also has a fairly low population density outside its larger cities, as well as a relatively small (10M) population. And its measures aren't without criticism - consider they have 100 deaths per 1M people, which places them 10th on countries with over 1K cases. There's states in the US with similar densities; I'd imagine those would be spared most of the deaths, even if stricter measures weren't implemented, bu…

Even if you look at Germany, you will see huge regional differences. If you look at the map of the positive tested, you can clearly see spikes in the huge cities (Berlin, Hamburg, München) and in densely populated regions. You can also still see that the infection density is higher around the places of initial infections (Bavaria for example, many skiing tourists who got infected in Austria/Italy). On the other side,…

It's still early enough in the pandemic that the effect you're seeing here might only be that denser areas get it first, not that they get it worse. People in less dense areas do still regularly come in close contact with other people, so there is the potential for the virus to spread there even if the people live spread out on farms or whatever.

Given it a few more months and I suspect that the differences between the urbs and suburbs will be less.

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Post by frockington1 »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #432
frockington1 wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember people screaming that it would be worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor two weeks ago. Still waiting on anything that level of sheer panic and pandemonium. Sadly I don't think anyone is going to be willing to admit they were wrong anytime soon.

25,832 deaths in the US from COVID-19 isn't really all that bad, huh?

In a population of 325 million, not really. I remember back in March when the media was saying at least 6 million people would die and that bodies would be piling up in the streets. Currently seems like the biggest threat will be unemployment and continued economic downturn

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Post by [deleted] »

adrr wrote: post #386
GnarfGnarf wrote: post #361

Why has no one developed a news subscription service yet? I want to be able to pay 50¢ here or $1 there for an interesting article from NYT, WSJ, WaPo, Bloomberg, The Guardian, The New Yorker etc., without paying for a subscription. I can't afford to subscribe to all of them. There are not enough hours in the day for getting a return on my investment. New York Times $50/yr Wall Street Journal $100 Bloomberg $420 LA T…

People pay $1200/yr for cable tv but don't want pay a couple hundred dollars a year for news. Thats the real problem, people don't value quality journalism.

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