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Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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I haven't left myself yet, but at almost-55 I know a fair number who have. Here's what I know of what their answers would be. The first simply had another passion - travel. Work was just a way to pay for that. Eventually went to work for an agency, been there a long time and AFAICT couldn't be happier (despite being less well off materially). I've known a couple of others who fit this pattern. One left the industry t…

What is a full time parent? I remember as a kid that I was always encouraging my mom to take up hobbies so that she's leave me alone so I could get on with my own stuff. I can't imagine putting all your identity into being a parent. Kids grow up extremely fast.

I presume GP doesn't mean someone with no other identity, just someone who is doing it instead of a FT paid role. I could be a full-time plumber and still have an identity outside of plumbing

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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I haven't left myself yet, but at almost-55 I know a fair number who have. Here's what I know of what their answers would be. The first simply had another passion - travel. Work was just a way to pay for that. Eventually went to work for an agency, been there a long time and AFAICT couldn't be happier (despite being less well off materially). I've known a couple of others who fit this pattern. One left the industry t…

> I'm tired. I'm tired of the artificial deadlines

I think the ephemeral nature of software really plays poorly with the artificial deadlines, and the artificial importance of some projects in general.

Eventually you recognize the pattern, and there's no logical way to justify it, so it's harder to motivate yourself. You know the deadline isn't real, and you know the software will be rewritten next year with some new technology. You may even be rewriting last years right now.

Tooling churn hurts here as well, because eventually after enough iterations, new tools are just in the way of getting real work done. You know it's not gaining you anything by putting in the effort to learn Toolchain X, because arbitrarily different Toolchain Y is about to become the new industry fad, and will make all that prior arbitrary knowledge pointless.

Some of my favourite years in software were when I worked at an eCommerce agency that served only one framework. Learning I invested directly impacted my work for the coming years. I began to master the tools, which feels amazing. I could also see the real world effect the software had. Sure, it was simple, selling products to people. But commerce is an interesting problem space, and a fundamental part of society, so it was neat to be a part of it and see real companies I worked with grow because of my software.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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I had a ten year career mostly in product management at enterprise software startups, and I left last year to open a dog boarding business (which is a whole mess right now, but that's another story).

For the most part I liked the companies I worked at (which tended to be ~50 people when I joined) and my coworkers. The problems were interesting, though largely not things I was especially passionate about (I spent a couple years making software for call centers, a couple years on enterprise videoconferencing, etc.).

I decided to go my own way for a few reasons. First was financial - I had already started investing in some real estate on the side, and it wasn't a leap to see how much of a financial advantage you can gain from owning and running an operating business vs. being a salaried employee. Second was just that I really like to be in control. Even in a 100% self-owned small business you find that you're not really in control on a lot of things (getting permits from the city for stuff is exhausting, plus you've got a landlord, bank, etc.), but from a day-to-day perspective, I am the one who makes the call on everything.

Last was that it was a good way out of SF. I'm engaged (would've been married in three days... sigh), and I just have no desire to have kids anywhere in the Bay Area. This allowed me to move to San Diego, a place that I love and that is also perfect for this business.

Edit: To answer the last couple parts of the question, no regrets (I mean I guess in theory I would've kept working a steady job and started the business post-pandemic, but I believe all my choices were sound at the time that I made them). Also I still follow HN because I'll always be interested in tech.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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I wish I could leave.

The tech industry nowadays is no longer about solving real-world problems and making the world a better place, instead it's all about screwing the end user in every single way possible, whether it's ads, stalking and privacy violations, spam ("marketing" as they call it) or just plain fraud where the company is happy to take the money but can't make it right if things don't go to plan and the customer is left holding the bag.

Most tech products nowadays aren't there to solve a real problem and aren't funded by customers buying them because they are good; instead they're funded by some VC scum and they're there to capture the market (or rent-seek) and prevent a legitimate business from starting (nobody can compete with free or below cost).

Technology-wise, we no longer use engineering as a means to an end to solve a business problem. Instead, engineering became its own thing and most companies encourage and reward those who opt for over-engineered solutions, which means you spend more time fighting with dozens of layers of abstractions and chasing the latest JS framework instead of actually delivering functionality. This is mostly a symptom of the previous point where showing "growth" and bragging about your (over) engineering is more important than actual profit.

Unfortunately there's just nothing out there that pays as well so I have no choice but to tough it out.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, if you ask a pilot today on advice... They will say, get a university degree and look elsewhere than aviation

We always think that grass no the other side is greener, but not really. It's yellow :( It's the same with how a lot of tech folks idolize farming. In reality it's a tough job with long hours and cold weather.

I know a family that did that. We're not really in touch any more but he was a tech worker in London in the mid 00s and she was in corporate purchasing or something.

A few years ago they upped and moved to Wales and operate a cattle farm, they also home-school their kids. Mostly now I see their ads for pasture-fed beef on facebook. They seem happy.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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What's your story? Programming off and on for over 40 years. Left several times. Because nothing is as fucked up as I.T. Did sales, consulting, several small businesses, and writing. Kept getting sucked back in. Because no one else digs as deep into things as us programmers. Became frustrated because we were always "skimming on the surface" of everything instead of deep diving into the cause instead of the effect. Be…

> Because nothing is as fucked up as I.T. In all different companies that I have worked with, the finance department seemed to be consistently the most stressful, fly-by-the-seat-of-their-pants part of the company. I am curious for people to tell the horror stories that they had to go thru. Should I do an Ask HN on the finance dept? (edited formatting)

My employer has no finance department, just an accounting department. The staff in the accounting department have their quirks at time, but in general are very easy to deal with, and grateful for help.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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post #38

I haven't left myself yet, but at almost-55 I know a fair number who have. Here's what I know of what their answers would be. The first simply had another passion - travel. Work was just a way to pay for that. Eventually went to work for an agency, been there a long time and AFAICT couldn't be happier (despite being less well off materially). I've known a couple of others who fit this pattern. One left the industry t…

What is a full time parent? I remember as a kid that I was always encouraging my mom to take up hobbies so that she's leave me alone so I could get on with my own stuff. I can't imagine putting all your identity into being a parent. Kids grow up extremely fast.

It's the gender-neutral, unpaid-work-respecting equivalent of a "stay-at-home mom" or "housewife"

If a couple decides they want four kids, the numbers can work out, for 10 years or so - especially if childcare is expensive.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

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I love computers since I can remember, and started learning to code when I was still in basic school. This lead me to think that the tech industry was the obvious career for me. During my time in the industry, I felt miserable. I would say that the main reasons for that were: * Meaninglessness. Most of the projects are simply not necessary, they do not help society in anyway, they just exist to make someone else weal…

What did you end up switching to?

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

#69

Making 6 figures to play and create all day if just awful. Boo hoo. I feel like the luckiest guy alive to get paid handsomely to do what I love.

I would love to be so closed-minded as you, not realizing that other people are different than you.

Ignorance is a bliss.

Some people are in tech because its a job, not because they love it. Some people got burned out. Some people discover other things that they love more then what they doing currently.

Re: Ask HN: Why did you leave the tech industry?

#70
Never enjoyed it. I knew from the second day of my first tech job that it wasn't what I wanted to be doing, but I blamed the job itself rather than the industry. Moved on after a year and tried other tech jobs (different size companies, different types of software), but they were all essentially the same.

I like building things for people to use, but as a programmer found myself very isolated from users (even at small companies). It felt like I was doing the hard work of building a product but then someone else got to do the fun part of showing it off, while my reward was just... more programming.

Also, I found the job extremely boring at times, extremely difficult at others. I decided that the stress wasn't worth it, especially when my work was having a limited impact.

Finally, I'm not in the USA so tech jobs had no "golden handcuffs". Many other jobs were available that paid as well as a Software Engineer.

I still work on personal programming projects, where I can be much more involved in the whole product and not just the code. I can also choose to only work on things that I really care about and/or that I feel can make a real difference.

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