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Post by praveenperera »

dx034 wrote: post #295
ceilingcorner wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you understand that millions of people are now out of work and won't be able to support their families, businesses are collapsing, calls to suicide lines are up massively, and society is general is not functioning? This is a complex issue. Using hyperbolic emotional appeals to drown out discussion is not the right move.

In the end no one will know if it was worth it since no country went in the other direction and just lived with it. The UK tried for a bit but then reacted harshly as the situation worsened. Maybe not doing anything would've resulted in a few months of medical chaos and not much more, maybe it would've destroyed whole societies. But the polls I'm aware of show that the majority of people is supportive of measures nea…

Isn’t that exactly what Sweden is currently doing?

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Post by dx034 »

malandrew wrote: post #177
jacobolus wrote: post #77

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> other countries haven't locked down hard and aren't seeing a big spread Let’s be precise. Some other countries haven’t locked down hard and aren’t seeing a big spread yet . You mentioned Sweden. Here was Time a few days ago: > A head doctor at a major hospital in Sweden says the current approach will “probably end in a historical massacre.” He says healthcare workers at his hospital who have tested positive for the…

On a per capita basis sweden isn't really more worse off than many other countries that have shutdown. It's about middle of the pack. Personal responsibility lets us have our cake and eat it too. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

On the other hand, Sweden also took measures, they just weren't as extreme. The virus spread in Europe mainly through travel and large groups of people. Sweden has neither (also because no neighboring country would allow travel). They didn't impose a lock down but it's not like nothing happened in Sweden.

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Post by mercer »

christophilus wrote: post #47
thaumaturgy wrote: post #35

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It's been very hard for me to understand this line of thinking. As I see it, there are so few cases in California because of the measures that have been taken. Do you think California would not have many more cases if the measures were relaxed? Or do you think that the cases would not be all that bad? Or do you think that they would only affect people that you aren't personally concerned about? I'm asking honestly fo…

> there are so few cases in California because of the measures that have been taken This is probably true, but other countries haven't locked down hard and aren't seeing a big spread. Our options aren't binary. It's not as if the only choice is "Nuke everything" or "Surrender". The US is not a very densely populated country, and density seems to have the biggest impact on the spread of this thing. We probably could d…

> The US is not a very densely populated country, and density seems to have the biggest impact on the spread of this thing.

You might be right, and I hope you are. But at least 'intuitively' my experience is that the more insular a community is, the more exposed those /within/ that community are because of frequent interaction.

So, basically, a big city is not very insular, but people spread the virus via public transit and whatnot.

A small, rural town is insular, but the locals interact much more than the city-folk. All it would take is one infected out-of-towner to trigger rapid spread locally.

I wouldn't be surprised if the problem that, for now, seems to be contained to liberal metropolises, will find their way into all sorts of rural communities because just one person passed it on. I hope I'm wrong.

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Post by kitotik »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #290
kitotik wrote: post #274

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We’ve had more documented covid-19 deaths in ~6 weeks than we usually have murders in an entire year and it hasn’t even peaked yet. We have no clue how many cases there even are because we’ve utterly failed to do mass testing. Serious question: do you have any family, friends, or even acquaintances that you would prefer not to have 3-6 weeks of terror and complete misery with a non-trivial chance of permanent disabil…

Do you understand that millions of people are now out of work and won't be able to support their families, businesses are collapsing, calls to suicide lines are up massively, and society is general is not functioning? This is a complex issue. Using hyperbolic emotional appeals to drown out discussion is not the right move.

You are correct that I have an emotional reaction to death, but I was not intending to spew a bunch of hyperbole.

Society isn’t a numbers game, it’s a shared set of values, and I find it appalling that we seem to be favoring the economy over human life. We have enough resources to take care of both, but chose to bail out corporations instead of people.

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Post by easytiger »

rgovostes wrote: post #125

The LA Times's investigation into Purdue Pharma in 2016 revealed internal Purdue documents demonstrating the company's culpability in fueling the opioid crisis. > The documents provide a detailed picture of the development and marketing of OxyContin, how Purdue executives responded to complaints that its effects wear off early, and their fears about the financial impact of any departure from 12-hour dosing. I don't h…

At the end of the day, if a doctor is prescribing medication against clinical guidelines, surely the doctor is at fault? If a pharma warehouse is burgled then it's on the burglars.

Am I missing something regarding this case? Did they mislead doctors?

Edit: Downvotes to -4 with no engagement for asking a question. This place has gone downhill rapidly

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Post by frockington1 »

Ensorceled wrote: post #287
tempsy wrote: post #26

I’m definitely in the camp that “the cure cannot be worse than the disease” itself. Sitting in California where there are so few cases makes me wonder if the economic toll is totally worth it. Seems like we’ve used a tsunami to put out a campfire.

Calculations for operating "business as usual" in the USA gave ranges from 1.7 to 5 million dead with extremes of 4-8% death rate (13+ million). This is based on a collapsed health care system causing the vast majority of cases requiring ventilators to result in death. Roll two die, if you roll snake eyes you would die. But, in my experience, most people saying things like "cure cannot be worse than the disease" are…

I remember people screaming that it would be worse than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor two weeks ago. Still waiting on anything that level of sheer panic and pandemonium. Sadly I don't think anyone is going to be willing to admit they were wrong anytime soon.

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Post by dx034 »

jeltz wrote: post #231
chewz wrote: post #200

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> On a per capita basis sweden isn't really more worse off than many other countries that have shutdown. This is so untrue. Norway and Denmark had initially many more cases then Sweden but since their curves flattened. As of yesterday Norway - 26 deaths / milion Sweden - 102 deaths / million Denmark - 52 deaths / milion

But there is also "Beglium - 359 deaths / million" which had early lockdowns. They started their lockdown one day before Denmark. By cherry picking countries one can chose a story to tell. I think it is too early to say if Sweden's strategy was stupid or not.

Belgium has people concentrated in a few centers, is a travel hub in the middle of Europe and has a high density of EU employees. With that they imported cases from pretty much everywhere at an early stage.

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Post by dx034 »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #214
chewz wrote: post #200

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> On a per capita basis sweden isn't really more worse off than many other countries that have shutdown. This is so untrue. Norway and Denmark had initially many more cases then Sweden but since their curves flattened. As of yesterday Norway - 26 deaths / milion Sweden - 102 deaths / million Denmark - 52 deaths / milion

U.K. 166 deaths per million with a full lockdown in place

UK was the country that first wanted to isolate the elderly and get young people infected and immune. The current case count is a reflection of that rather than the lockdown which came afterwards.

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Post by stefan_ »

adventured wrote: post #184
CydeWeys wrote: post #167

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Do you have any sources? Epidemiologists don't think that temperature has been playing a major role here, so do you have any sources that's not just you hypothesizing this? Because one trend I see a lot on HN is people making wild guesses about things waaaaaaay outside their area of expertise ...

By wild guess you mean ignoring the comically epic pile of overwhelming evidence that shows climate is a very large factor in impeding the spread of the virus (and applies to locations regardless of testing rates or economic condition)? I've been talking about this on HN for a while now. I've been making the same case over and over. Guess what hasn't changed since I first floated it here? The higher temp areas I've b…

This virus is in some 180 countries right now. You are just delusional.

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Post by _ph_ »

nickthemagicman wrote: post #218
dkobran wrote: post #113

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Sweden has by far the highest number of cases/deaths with respect to neighboring countries. Finland has 1/10th of the number of deaths per capita [0]. They are also faring much worse than Denmark and Norway (in terms of both cases and deaths) where much stricter measures are enforced. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/14/sweden-22...

Why limited to neighboring countries though? The fact is Sweden has no full quarantine and they have less infection rates and less fatalities per capita than many countries with full quarantine. It's clear that full quarantine may not be effective.

You have to compare states with comparable population density, cultural norms and roughly comparable initial cases. Climate plays a huge role in how much people engage in potential infection prone activities. E.g. like being outside in parks, beaches.
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