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Well, the statistics are starting to show that if you're young and healthy, this is not much worse than the flu in terms of outcome. The hospitalization rate is also much lower than was reported earlier. Even just counting positive and confirmed test cases, this data is painting a pretty clear picture. Here's the data out of new york city. You can see the chart showing hospitalizations and deaths per age. The trend i…

Well, spoiler alert, not everyone is young and healthy. In fact, the majority of Americans have at least one comorbidity for coronavirus. > Covid for new york city has a death rate of about 75 per 100k. So far. We're still experiencing hundreds of deaths per day in the city, significantly more than all other causes combined. Your analysis is vastly premature.

> So far. We're still experiencing hundreds of deaths per day in the city, significantly more than all other causes combined. Your analysis is vastly premature

Even if it's 150 per 100k, or even if it's 500 or 1000 per 100,000, is that too much? We need to establish an upper bound for the number of deaths we're willing to tolerate. It cannot be "zero". There is a balance between acceptable mortality and economic consequence that I fear few people are willing to discuss. The medical establishment's goal is to save as many lives as possible, and due to that strategy, they will go to any length to make that happen. I do not once see a medical professional saying "well we can't save all these lives because it would be too expensive". The concession seems to only go one direction: The economy must suffer at any and all cost to minimise mortality as far as possible.

So again, what is an acceptable mortality rate? 2%, 5%? A realistic upper bound that's a fair trade off between economic collapse and mortality rate needs to be decided.

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It seems pretty clear to me that California has so few cases precisely because of the measures it has taken.

The economic toll of shelter in place vs enforced social distancing + mask wearing while keeping most businesses open is huge though. I’m not convinced quarantine is/was necessary for most of the country, including California.

I'm not sure the economic toll is necessary. We just haven't bothered to try to mitigate it. It's like the lockdown itself; do nothing for a long time, then we'll use a nuke.

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It's been very hard for me to understand this line of thinking. As I see it, there are so few cases in California because of the measures that have been taken. Do you think California would not have many more cases if the measures were relaxed? Or do you think that the cases would not be all that bad? Or do you think that they would only affect people that you aren't personally concerned about? I'm asking honestly fo…

> there are so few cases in California because of the measures that have been taken This is probably true, but other countries haven't locked down hard and aren't seeing a big spread. Our options aren't binary. It's not as if the only choice is "Nuke everything" or "Surrender". The US is not a very densely populated country, and density seems to have the biggest impact on the spread of this thing. We probably could d…

Thank you I've been saying this for a while but have been being crucified by the flat curver movement who takes no accountability in proving that their method is working with hard data.

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On a per capita basis sweden isn't really more worse off than many other countries that have shutdown. It's about middle of the pack. Personal responsibility lets us have our cake and eat it too. http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

> On a per capita basis sweden isn't really more worse off than many other countries that have shutdown. This is so untrue. Norway and Denmark had initially many more cases then Sweden but since their curves flattened. As of yesterday Norway - 26 deaths / milion Sweden - 102 deaths / million Denmark - 52 deaths / milion

U.K. 166 deaths per million with a full lockdown in place

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It’s preventing one to three million Americans from dying this year. How much is that worth to you.

It was probably the right thing because it was conceivable to end up with 30 million pneumonia victims and no way to treat them all. But we shouldn't forget we had to waste 0.1% of all 328 million lives (one month/78.54 years under house arrest) and counting.

> But we shouldn't forget we had to waste 0.1% of all 328 million lives (one month/78.54 years under house arrest) and counting.

It's only a waste if you need to waste it. I'm sure plenty of people are using this time to be productive doing things they would otherwise not have the time to do.

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Brands are sensitive to where their ads appear. Many brands do not want their ads adjacent to COVID 19 content.

I'm still unsure how and if this is really even true nowadays. We have been doing programmatic ads for ages. We should be over this.

Ad shows up with an ironic twist in a Coronavirus article >> somebody screenshots and posts to reddit >> instant front page >> even more free advertising but somebody calls the CEO who tells his subordinates to find somebody to yell at

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> The US is not a very densely populated country, and density seems to have the biggest impact on the spread of this thing. The US has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus cases of any nation. The US is seeing about 2,000 confirmed coronavirus deaths a day at the moment: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Contrast the US results with Australia's or South Korea's results. Australia and South Korea are doing m…

> The US has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus cases of any nation. Your statement isn't very useful. It's the per capita death rate that matters the most of any metric. It's non-sense to compare the US to countries with 5% or 20% of the population using absolute numbers. In terms of density, it's the NYC region that overwhelmingly accounts for the problem in the US. NY + NJ = majority of US deaths. The NYC…

I used to think per capita means more but in this case does the absolute growth rate have anything to do with total population?

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Various European countries. Sweden comes to mind.

Sweden has by far the highest number of cases/deaths with respect to neighboring countries. Finland has 1/10th of the number of deaths per capita [0]. They are also faring much worse than Denmark and Norway (in terms of both cases and deaths) where much stricter measures are enforced. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2020/04/14/sweden-22...

Why limited to neighboring countries though?

The fact is Sweden has no full quarantine and they have less infection rates and less fatalities per capita than many countries with full quarantine.

It's clear that full quarantine may not be effective.

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I’m definitely in the camp that “the cure cannot be worse than the disease” itself. Sitting in California where there are so few cases makes me wonder if the economic toll is totally worth it. Seems like we’ve used a tsunami to put out a campfire.

We'll see how Sweden fares since they aren doing very minimal shutdowns (public events over 500 people are canceled).

Currently an order of magnitude more deaths than their otherwise very comparable neighbor Norway, or 5x as many per 1M pop.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

Will be very interesting to follow during May, as Norway is now opening up again. Schools and kindergartens will start again next week.

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> The US is not a very densely populated country, and density seems to have the biggest impact on the spread of this thing. The US has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus cases of any nation. The US is seeing about 2,000 confirmed coronavirus deaths a day at the moment: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Contrast the US results with Australia's or South Korea's results. Australia and South Korea are doing m…

> The US has the highest number of confirmed coronavirus cases of any nation. Your statement isn't very useful. It's the per capita death rate that matters the most of any metric. It's non-sense to compare the US to countries with 5% or 20% of the population using absolute numbers. In terms of density, it's the NYC region that overwhelmingly accounts for the problem in the US. NY + NJ = majority of US deaths. The NYC…

I read it's not due to climate I read it's because there was already a Coronavirus in the area and they have built a herd immunity.
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