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California’s Roadmap to Modify the Stay-at-Home Order [pdf]

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#151

This doesn’t say anything about when I can see my family again.

You can come into the state and you can leave the state, what state-level circumstance is preventing you?

I'm grasping at straws but maybe you are estranged and your family is on the street but they won't let you into the hobo-hotel?

Every other circumstance I can think of is a Federal issue closing borders for people that aren't Americans.

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#152
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This entire plan is based on models that do not align with what we are seeing. The graph on slide two[1] of the official CA govt plan shows hospitalizations With Intervention rising exponentially, exceeding our hospital capacity in early June. The actual new infection data shows that the rate of new infections has been decreasing since at least 4/4 [2], meaning that the graph of active hospitalizations should be a be…

Something weird happened in California, where 20% of their tests were coming back positive, then all the sudden 04/04/2020 they started seeing https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lettergram/covid19-analysi... They also barely tested at all prior to 04/04/2020: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lettergram/covid19-analysi... In generally though, the rate of positive tests is increasing nation wide: https://raw.githubuser…

>Something weird happened in California, where 20% of their tests were coming back positive, then all the sudden 04/04/2020 they started seeing This is not surprising. When tests were scarce, tests would be rationed to those most suspected of infection.

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#153
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A real plan would look like this https://imgur.com/spemOeG specifying the levels of restrictions and the metrics we will use to track the metrics. This allows people to understand what to expect the best possible. We already have huge uncertainty, we don't need to add uncertainty of government response on top of uncertainty of the virus. I think there is huge room to debate the numbers and what goes in what level, bu…

The reason why your solution is not good is because it pigeon holes the government into expectations. The government doesn't have a crystal ball as to how this all plays out, they need to have the flexibility to change how they want to respond to each situation without having to defend an ultimatum. For example, even in your own example here are several situations you didn't account: -- The availability of tests for…

The government has the power to check temperatures, force people to use a contact tracing app, require masks etc.

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#154

It doesn't make any sense that we continue the lockdown in its current state. Hospitals in California aren't overrun. We were insisted upon that the "flattening the curve" was to prevent the medical system from being overwhelmed. With what we've been able to do, we're not even close to having overrun hospitals. By now, we should have ramped up the system to account for greater numbers of severe cases. Given that, we…

Hospitals around me are at half capacity. San Mateo is at 56% capacity in ICU beds.[1]

Covid cases were doubling every 3 days (up to 5).

Would it be correct to say that had we waited another week, hospitals would have been overrun?

If that's the case then I understand why health authorities are cautious.

[1] https://www.smchealth.org/post/san-mateo-county-covid-19-dat...

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#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I like many others are deeply upset by leadership from both parties, at all levels of government. I'm sitting at home in Michigan where the governor has closed almost all businesses. Politicians bicker over weather governors or the president have the authority to reopen things. And yet there is no plan as far as I can see. No goals, no criteria to trigger next steps, nothing. Meanwhile the press just snipes at peo…

It's also not like politicians are busy working on a cure. Almost their sole job right now is to communicate an exit strategy. And they can't even properly align text on slides (I don't actually care about that except as a symbol of how little attention to detail they put into this).

I doubt politicians are the ones putting together these slides.

But yeah, the slide thing is kind of silly. Looks like they did most of the work with a 4:3 template, then realized halfway that it would be shown on a widescreen projector/TV.

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#156
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This entire plan is based on models that do not align with what we are seeing. The graph on slide two[1] of the official CA govt plan shows hospitalizations With Intervention rising exponentially, exceeding our hospital capacity in early June. The actual new infection data shows that the rate of new infections has been decreasing since at least 4/4 [2], meaning that the graph of active hospitalizations should be a be…

Something weird happened in California, where 20% of their tests were coming back positive, then all the sudden 04/04/2020 they started seeing https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lettergram/covid19-analysi... They also barely tested at all prior to 04/04/2020: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/lettergram/covid19-analysi... In generally though, the rate of positive tests is increasing nation wide: https://raw.githubuser…

Those charts look very different from the Worldometer data, which shows the April 4th high water mark in new cases still holding 10 days later.

Their graph is linear growth in new cases per day until 4/4, followed by a gradual but spiky decline, even as tests/day keep increasing.

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#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it amazing that an absolutely massive privacy invasion that is called contact tracing is already accepted as _inevitable_ if we are ever to be allowed to step out of our homes? Talk about cynicism.

> if we are ever to be allowed to step out of our homes? In France, we need to fill a form every time we want to leave our homes. Any non-work related trip should be limited to one hour and 1km, at most once a day. This was decided with no vote or concertation within a couple of days. It also applies to people who live in rural area. They even fly drones in the mountains in order to catch lonely hikers breaking the r…

> Worth than that, part of the population is getting obsessed about rule-breakers, as if lone cyclists suddenly became a danger for the nation. The police is flooded with calls of people denouncing cyclists, hikers, or joggers...

I've definitely noticed on Facebook, since the beginning of this, there's a lot of shaming of people doing X, virtue signalling, I'm doing this right, how about you? etc. There's a huge political correctness and peer pressure angle to the social distancing policies.

Most people seem onboard with this so far, but I think at some point, the tide will shift. There will be growing social unrest. We're a social species, we're not meant to live in isolation indefinitely.

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#158

It doesn't make any sense that we continue the lockdown in its current state. Hospitals in California aren't overrun. We were insisted upon that the "flattening the curve" was to prevent the medical system from being overwhelmed. With what we've been able to do, we're not even close to having overrun hospitals. By now, we should have ramped up the system to account for greater numbers of severe cases. Given that, we…

Maybe i'm misunderstanding but the entire point of whats outlined is to be prepared for the next wave. Sure we're flattening the curve, and we'll eventually have to relax the stay at home mandate, but its very possible that it will just get out of control again. Until the govt feels they can handle the next wave properly they don't want to take the chance.

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#159
post #67

A real plan would look like this https://imgur.com/spemOeG specifying the levels of restrictions and the metrics we will use to track the metrics. This allows people to understand what to expect the best possible. We already have huge uncertainty, we don't need to add uncertainty of government response on top of uncertainty of the virus. I think there is huge room to debate the numbers and what goes in what level, bu…

The reason why your solution is not good is because it pigeon holes the government into expectations. The government doesn't have a crystal ball as to how this all plays out, they need to have the flexibility to change how they want to respond to each situation without having to defend an ultimatum. For example, even in your own example here are several situations you didn't account: -- The availability of tests for…

I'm all about more data, more columns. It's the framework for thinking about things. Counterproposing with a more detailed plan would be great. It's the type of dialog we should be having (e.g. what are the thresholds for mandatory masks). Not vague political grandstanding.

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post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why your solution is not good is because it pigeon holes the government into expectations. The government doesn't have a crystal ball as to how this all plays out, they need to have the flexibility to change how they want to respond to each situation without having to defend an ultimatum. For example, even in your own example here are several situations you didn't account: -- The availability of tests for…

The government has the power to check temperatures, force people to use a contact tracing app, require masks etc.

It actually largely doesn't have that power.

I mean, it does until challenged, and it could impose restrictions on entering government buildings -- but the government really doesn't have an unlimited authority to declare arbitrary restrictions on the right of people to peaceably assemble.

Not legally, anyway.

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